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Michael Guy  says:

Sykes wants to stay despite being overshadowed by Spies

Britain’s Tom Sykes remains determined to keep his ride in the factory Yamaha World Superbike team in 2010, but knows he faces stiff competition for the coveted ride. Sykes currently sits seventh in the World Superbike Championship standings on 150 points – 30 points behind Leon Haslam in sixth and just five points ahead of Carlos Checa in eighth.  Speaking...

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grayzx7r

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grayzx7r says:

chrysalis97/98/99/00

Nice to read some very valid points , eg armchair pundits-racers still grieve family deaths- spies is exceptional,

Give that man a team point !

 (whats this 97/98/99/00 handle then mon ami ? )  

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grayzx7r

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grayzx7r says:

Heaven Forbid !

Just thought - your not a girlie are you ?

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windy12

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windy12 says:

unlucky

In some ways Sykes is unlucky to land at Yamaha at this time, look at the choices of riders they have, but also other teams especially Suzuki, Honda and Ducati should look at the way Yamaha treat their riders and how it pays off. 

I do not care what anyone says, Sykes has to do more from this point of the season on, he has to take points off one of the other Ducatis to help Spies win the championship, Spies is one person fighting two Ducati riders.  If he helps Spies win the title they will keep him as Cal would just keep going for wins even at the expense of Spies, we saw that when he was at HM Plant.  That would make Yamaha stop and think if Spies went to GP next year, it could be Edwards or JT on the bike and a team mate who thinks championship later in the season has to be valuable.

As for track knowledge, Sykes was given the ride because he already knew the circuits, Spies didnt. 

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9999steve

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9999steve says:

Consistancy

Consistancy is so important to these guys at this level. Yamaha are not a team that at world level play the musical seat game so im hoping Tom has got the support from mr Yamaha to carry on next year. I feel this is why they brought him in early and pretty quick after a limited success in BSB as they knew he has a long future not just a one race wonder. In BSB you never seem to know whos riding what bike at any given race it changes so much. Can be fun from a spectators view point but not so much from a fans or a rider position. I really wonder if crutchlow would be the same on the superbike as his very flamboyent riding style doesnt lend itself so well to superbikes as his many off's in BSB showed, Lafferty is a much better bet for me when they step up if he gets the right ride.

Not sure how many circuits Sykes but he had lots to learn just like spies so theres no way he was given the ride for that reason.

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windy12

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windy12 says:

official line..

The official line was because he had such a good wild card entry in the British round of World Superbikes, but also because he knew the circuits and had lived out of England before, plus of course he looked promising in BSB.

However I do not think that is the whole truth, Tommy Hill didnt have the Yamaha progression some thought he would so there was a break in rider line up.  Yamaha must have paid a fortune to take the championship leader from AMA which is supposed to be mega money, which is why Hodgeson went there, so Yamaha probably looked at the usual cost of two riders, gave Spies nearly all the budget and got Sykes in on the cheap.  Spies I reckon will be getting all of Hagas old wage and most of Corsers too.

Sykes has done a good job but now must either finish higher or start helping Spies with the title by holding up at least one of those Ducatis or keeping Biaggi back so Spies gets top points when he can, if Spies DNFs Sykes needs to be affecting the points somehow.

I agree about Cal, if I was him I would defend his title if he wins and make sure he gets the right seat in WSBK rather than jumping in, he was very rough and ready in WSBK, even Rea looks like he needs to get smoother on some corners and tracks I think he is tougher on his tyres than some of the other riders, I might be wrong but it looks like that.

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windy12

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windy12 says:

oops

rough and ready in BSB!! of course.

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mickdel

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mickdel says:

When was syksie overseas racing before?    To be honest,  its not that fair to be comparing him to spies on the r1,  as apart from spies only the bsb airwaves bsb boys seem to have mastered it.   But they get spies settings etc, so that may be why walker et al find it a handful. But they airwaves boys didnt do as well in the donnie round of wsb as sykesie did last year, so food for thought maybe.  Compared to what other new rookies have done in wsb, especially the euro guys,  hes not done bad at all,  to be objective,  rather than say hes shite compared to spies - when 99% of the worlds riders would probably fall into this category.  Spies is a superstar, and its not fair to compare syksie to him.   

Plus, he is getting all the money !

Brits tend to be too hard on their own instead of being supportive. I blame the tabloids for this myself!

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windy12

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windy12 says:

RE Sykes

GSXR cup.  Funny it is missing off all his rider history even on his own site.

I do not think that people are tough on British riders, I think they know when a rider's seat is safe or it isnt, but then that gets twisted to they are on his case.

Tom could not have got that seat at a worse time for Yamaha competition, but he still may hang on to it, Cal's superbike days were a bit wild, surely they will not move Toseland and Edwards in one go?  If they did Sykes may find himself partnering Spies again in GP?

If Sykes can influence this WSBK championship Yamaha will look after him for a few years to come, they always look after their good riders properly.  Come on Tom help Spies win the title.

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marcaoPSG

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marcaoPSG says:

Everything depends on 2 factors:

1. What is Jorge Lorenzo going to do?

AND

2. Does Spies want to go to GP's next year?

If the answer to the first question is that Lorenzo will leave, Spies would get the FIAT Yamaha ride, and then Crutchlow would slide into the factory WSBK team to be partnered with Sykes. I think this is a bit of a dream move as I don't think Lorenzo will go to HRC, therefore I think this is out of the question.

The answer to the second question is a little bit more interesting. I think everyone knows that Ben wants to go to GP's next year, but he is not as stupid as others were in going there on uncompetitive machinery. I think he will wait until he can get a competitive ride (meaning FIAT Yamaha, Repsol Honda, or Tech 3 Yamaha.) I didn't include Ducati because Stoner is the only one that has been quick on it consistently, and I'm not sure he would risk it.

Therefore that leaves Rossi, Lorenzo, Dovizioso, Pedrosa, Edwards, and Toseland as the candidates likely to lose a ride.

Obviously Yamaha is keeping Rossi, and most likely Lorenzo so that ride is out.

The Honda would be too fragile for Spies lanky body structure, and Honda it seems wants to keep Dovi and Pedrosa with recent news stories coming out. They are also going after Lorenzo so it seems like Spies is not on their radar.

That leaves just Yamaha Tech 3. I honestly believe this is where Spies will end up going next season. He has shown the consistency of a mature rider that is so quick that he deserves a shot. Who will he replace?

I think it will be James Toseland. Colin Edwards has been a Yamaha man throughout most of his career and about the last 4 seasons in GP's. He has shown his dedication for the brand and has always given his all. Unlike Honda, Yamaha will not betray one of their premier riders. But it's not like he is slow either... He is the best satellite rider currently fifth in the championship in front of Dovizioso, Vermeulen, Capirossi, Elias and Hayden who are all "on factory equipment." I think that statement says how good the Yamaha really is, but as well as how consistent Edwards is.

Plus Rossi really likes Colin, so it would not surprise me Vale adds his two cents to the conversation if they thinking to send Colin back to WSBK. I think CEII has also earned his ride to stay in GP. That would mean Spies would come in for Toseland, which would bode well as Ben and Colin get along well, not to mention he could act as a mentor in his first season. I'm sure Spies has settled well in Italy, but nothing helps more than having a fellow countryman as well as a Texan in this case be on the other side of the garage. He would help him understand the nature of GP's. Spies has had exposure to it, but not a full year of it.

That would leave Sykes, Crutchlow, and Toseland contending for the Yamaha WSBK rides. Honestly I would see Sykes staying as Meragalli has stated he wants Tom to stay. Therefore it would be between Crutchlow and Toseland. Honestly I see Toseland getting the ride due to his experience, but he has stated multiple times that he wishes to stay in GP so it wouldn't surprise me if he got a ride at Suzuki or a satellite Ducati. We all know that would spell an end to his GP dreams, but I think he would want to stay rather than go back to WSBK. That would open up the door to Crutchlow to go to the Yamaha WSBK squad partnering Sykes.

IF James is smart he will go to Yamaha WSBK if he gets rejected by Tech 3. But Yamaha won't want to lose Cal, therefore they might create a third bike in WSBK for him sort of like Kiyonari has at Honda, or risk losing him to a Moto2 ride, which Crutchlow has gone on record saying he wouldn't mind as it would speed up the possibility of going to GP.

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9999steve

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9999steve says:

Phew!

Phew, what a reply mr PSG! Theres far to much involved in the jigsaw and far more than we know but i agree with lots you say. I guess some of which will get put in place in the next few weeks and maybe ill see some shadows moving around the motorhomes at Brno doing some motogp deals! :ph43r:

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