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mburns88823

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mburns88823 says:

Private land riding

Hi,

I recently bought a bandit 600 but am not taking my test for another 2 weeks, i'm desperate to ride it so can anyone tell me if a friend insures it and rides it to private land i.e. a car park am i legally allowed to ride it?

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philehidiot

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philehidiot says:

The law is

If there is public access to it then you NEED insurance. Simple as that. A car park therefore is out of the question if you don't have a licence. The object is to protect people from getting hit in a car park by an uninsured driver. If there is a barrier down so the public can't get access then you need permission from the land owner or you're trespassing.


Insurance is not applied to vehicles. It is applied to named individuals on vehicles. You can't insure it in someone else's name without being a named driver on their policy, which you can't be without having a valid licence for that class of vehicle.

The police can, under section 165A of the Road Traffic Act, seize any vehicle which they reasonably believe to be used without valid insurance. This applies in any area with public access, even if it is private land.

The other thing they can do is use section 59 of the Police Reform Act if they decide you're using a vehicle in an antisocial manner, causing alarm, distress, blah blah blah to other people. Generally it's a warning first and then seizing the vehicle on the second offence, having to pay a recovery charge and storage fee to get it back.

The answer is therefore no, unless you know someone who has access to a big play area without open public access.

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smoto5

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smoto5 says:

Caution is the watchword!

If there's  any doubt at all, don't use it! It's no good taking a chance and finding you were wrong, the coppers aren't going to sit there arguing over it, and it would have to be sorted afterwards at a good deal of inconvenience, and cost!

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Enemy

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Enemy says:

okay

it is illegal to ride in a carpark but most coppers will let you off with a warning wont they? why is everyone ignoring discretion? and why would coppers have any reason to check your license or insurance? you're goo enough for a test so you should be able to handle some slow speed on a 600. as long as you're not stupid theres no reason any coppers would pay any attention to you. but still stay legal  

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mrh3369

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mrh3369 says:

Police

Yeah why would the police uphold the law? Its not like they are paid to is it.:lol:

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smoto5

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smoto5 says:

The days when you could

take a chance on stuff like this and plead ignorance and just get a warning are long gone!

Not when they're prepared to use helicopters to catch lads on field bikes on wasteland and tracks.

If you take a chance and get caught you only have yourself to blame, can't come complaining you were treated unfairly, not when the police regard themselves as a private security force with quotas to meet, and are no longer able to use discretion. It cuts no ice anymore to say "we were doing no harm to anyone!" There's always someone who will complain about what you do! Of course if you like the thrill of the risk and the chase, carry on!! :lol:

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philehidiot

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philehidiot says:

Police

have targets now.


I've seen officers confronted with someone being a named driver on their parents car, driving friends around and then letting someone else drive it across a car park - uninsured with no licence.

You then have the officer ringing the parent (the registered keeper) and asking if they gave permission for this person to use the car or not, informing them that if they say yes, they're going to be charged with allowing it to be used by an uninsured person and if they say no then they'll add taking without consent to the driving without insurance and otherwise in accordance with a licence to the charges being levelled at this kid.

EDIT: they also took the car off them, even though the intention of allowing the car to be seized was to remove uninsured drivers from the roads and there was no risk of this car being driven again by the uninsured guy after they'd been bollocked and told it was illegal. They thought it was off the public roads and therefore fine - education would have worked in this case but instead they used everything they could throw at them.

A bollocking? Perhaps if you got the right officer and you were obviously just practising for your test slowly, safely and showing consideration to other people. It's just not worth it in this age of targets and chocking up numbers being emphasised more by senior officers due to the pressures being placed on them rather than engaging with communities, education and changing attitudes.

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smoto5

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smoto5 says:

The less you say to the police these

days the better! after all everything you say will be taken down and used against you! :huh: 

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Enemy

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Enemy says:

dont be a caulk mrh

you already lost one man point, dont let your conservative views lose you another

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mrh3369

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mrh3369 says:

Enemy

This is the ask an expert forum not ask an inbred window licking know nothing retard so please post elsewhere you pathetic little stupid child.:biggrin:

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stevei0220

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stevei0220 says:

The damned!

Berate the police for all their downfalls at your pleasure but just remember two things : 1. Don't blame them for doing their job if someone breaks the law, gets caught and gets penalized, 2. One day when the shit hits the fan you may just need them!

All areas of public service and private commerce have targets so why pick on the police? Damned if they do, damned if they don't!

 

 

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