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Steve Farrell  says:

Teenager “almost dies” in bike test crash

A woman “almost died” after crashing while attempting the new motorcycle test, according to witnesses. The 18-year-old stopped breathing and was rushed to hospital with a suspected broken neck after crashing at Chester Multi-Purpose Test Centre last Tuesday. She survived because a driving instructor who happened to be present knew the procedure to get her breathing again, said her father, who arrived...

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bbstrikesagain

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Let's all give it up for cardiffmc

And I quote:

"I have had a student face-plant the tarmac on E-stop though"

"I would quite happily put you up against one of my students to show you how much better they are"

I'm lost for words...

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SlowLearner

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SlowLearner says:

No crashes, but student's face hit the tarmac?

I'm a bit puzzled by these two statements from our Cardiff rapper too...


1/  "I have not had one person crash on the hazard avoidance exercise. Not one. "  (underlined, note).
2/  "I have had a student face-plant the tarmac on E-stop though" 

Got trouble counting, MC ?   And how's this aggressive approach of yours working out - convinced anyone of anything yet?

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cardiffmc

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cardiffmc says:

best to know what your talking about

 

Please guys you need to understand what you are talking about,


Hazard avoidance and controlled stop have nothing to do with Emergency-stop


so in a nut shell I have not had a problem teaching or for that matter had any one have a problem with Hazard avoidance and controlled stop, training or on test, this dreaded maneuver that you all go on about is the least of a students worry's.


Over the years I have had numerous people come off on road while on test doing the E-stop and this is what pisses me off, MCN have swept the passed under the carpet as if this has never happened before this is nothing new, this as with every thing we do is a managed risk


you really need to understand the test before you comment as you all make your self's look like arm chair bikers.

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cardiffmc

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cardiffmc says:

try to use you own posts and not plagiarize others comments

Mike if you are stupid enough to try this test with a few hours of training then more fool you.

As for the rest you waffle, try to use you own posts and not plagiarize others comments.


As I have always stated you have know idea about what you are talking about, the last few posts I have read have proved that about you all.

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cardiffmc

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cardiffmc says:

to late, its happend already.

 

Guys I am truly getting sick and tired of repeating my self


Aggressive, slowlearner? I listened to you and rained my self in, its about time you take your own advice or have you had a few today.


 

The funniest part to me is how you all jump at the word E-stop and associate it with “the swerve” it has nothing to do with it and comes after u-turn and slow ride. But then it shows how little you know of the actual test or the actual risks that have always been part of training and testing, I shit you not, people have died on the old test and its our task to make sure it does not happen again, I really don't need Joe public telling me how to do my job as I have to live with every thing I tell my students and I will always put them first.


Last but not least yet again I say to you all, “go talk to your local ATB” best of all do a course and get some vital experience. Mike you to, I have to pay for a service on my Ferrari and I could do with your money, so best hand it over before I give you a slap you cheeky cunt.

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cardiffmc

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cardiffmc says:

nothing new

 

People have had to do an E-stop for 50+ years any where from 20 to 30mph and this is the exercise that is the real danger.

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SlowLearner

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SlowLearner says:

Aggressive, MC?

You come swaggering in here, call everyone idiots, tell us you're the elite king of motorcycling.  Then you look at our profiles and snicker at our apparent lackings.


We're "armchair" motorcyclists, whatever that might be.  We're "born again bikers", "statistics waiting to happen", together with fucking moron this and that, not to mention we're all drunkards too apparently.  And you've got no respect for us at all, stated upfront.   

Do you really expect a receptive audience with this behaviour?  That puts anyone's back up.

My ROSPA teachers back in the day told me more than anyone or anything else,  in the extensive tuition I received for 3 hours every Sunday morning,  for six months.  They never called anyone idiots, "born again bikers",  "statistics waiting to happen" etc., and we all respected the hell out out of them.

This "I'm aggressive in order to teach you" is pure B.S. - you're aggressive because you're aggressive.  Good teachers don't require aggression.

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Slowlane

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Slowlane says:

Takes a deep breath

I can appreciate that feelings are running high here and that I'm probably about to do the internet equivalent of jumping straight into a tank of piranhas.

However, I'm not adequately convinced by either side of the argument yet. There has been quite a bit of discussion about the swerve test and the low pass rate for the Mod 1 test with the inference being that the two are linked. Unfortunately I don't expect that the stats exist to adequately explain why the pass rate is so low, but I'm not sure that the swerve test is the problem. In the absence of stats I can only fall back on my own experience and on the evidence of my own eyes.

It took me three attempts to pass the Mod 1. On the first two attempts I failed for putting a foot down on the slow speed sections and completed both the swerve and the E-stop without incident. All of the other candidates from the same school who failed did so for similar reasons. While we were there we saw people failing because they locked wheels on the E-stop or failed to make the target speed. The only person I know who failed the swerve did so because of his own error. He'd been practicing swerving to one side and so muscle memory took over. As soon as he realised he'd swerved the wrong way it was too late to correct and he missed the gate.

I'm not sure what to make of this whole discussion. I can see the point of being tested on your ability to swerve and countersteer because it's an important skill that can save your life. I didn't find it difficult, though I'm sure there are candidates who do, but it wouldn't be much of a test if it wasn't hard. Whether it makes us better riders and less likely to be killed remains to be seen.

But I do wonder how much of the opposition is founded on ignorance. I feel it would be instructive for more experienced riders to take a mock Mod 1 and report back on how it went. Incidents happen on test and always have done. I'm loathe to take a small sample of incidents as being indicative of a trend, especially when this poor girl's injuries were likely to have had more to do with the failure of her helmet.

As I said, I'm not sure what to make of all of this. As an experienced rider I can see the logic in both sides of the argument, but as a pragmatist I want to know all the relevant facts before coming to a decision. Too much of this is based on emotion. I want to know categorically that the swerve is unsafe before I lend my support to any campaign. Equally I would want to know that we're not robbing future generations of bikers of the chance to learn a skill that could just save their lives one day.

OK, you can all shoot me down now.

Slow Lane

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cardiffmc

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cardiffmc says:

thanks for the insite

 

Thanks slowlane,


I agree and have said that the majority of people who fail it are failing on the slow maneuvers and not the fast, second most common is the E-stop and last is the hazard avoidance and controlled stop exercise.


I wish I could put my finger on what makes so many put a foot down on test and I know from your point of view how stressful it can be to have to preform like this so im glad you persevered and have done it. You should fly the mod2.


And yes for all those who are moaning about mod1, go try it go talk to you local school that's good advice and something I have been saying from the start.

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cardiffmc

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cardiffmc says:

lol

 

Lol, slowlearner, you told me to wind it in I did, now who is the one ranting, now take you own advice and calm down and use a reasoned argument, same can be said of mike, you both need to go do mod1 so you can see what its about.

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