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Andy Downes  says:

KTM to produce electric motorcycles in 2011

Austrian firm KTM has become the first large-scale manufacturer to produce an electric bike with these two ‘Freeride’ machines going into full production in 18 months. Find a KTM for sale These two pre-production prototypes were unveiled at the Tokyo Motorcycle Show with an enduro and a supermoto version going on sale at under £9800 at current exchange rates.       Read KTM motorcycle...

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boybilly1967

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boybilly1967 says:

How far do these electric bikes go on a freezing Winters night when battery life is not optimum and with the headlight on?, not far ill bet

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stevedeejay

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stevedeejay says:

Yep

got my name down for a duracell daytona already :blink:

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daveb

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daveb says:

Crikey - BMWs in urban areas alongside skateboarders? This I'd like to see, especially large 7-Series luxobarges. Perchance it's BMXs?

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DrVibrafly

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DrVibrafly says:

Power usage

There was a recent study that said if 10% of all cars are electric by 2020 and just 25% of them charge up on the same night then it will cause a peak in the grid that could potentially cause blackouts and widespread power cuts.  That's food for thought.  Before rolling out thousands of electric vehicles maybe there should also be the infrastructure to supply the demand?

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electricmotorcycles

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power usage

The power usage study mentioned by Dr Vibrafly was based on our usage patterns NOW. You should be assured that plans have been made to manage the power grid that will take account of increased consumer demand. There are companies making plans for this now so this sould not be a concern.

Winters Night

The Lithium battery technology is different from lead acid in that it does not suffer from problems being used in cold weather. In fact our temperate climate is better for batteries than say a very hot climate.

It will be great when KTM launch their models as there will then be enough manufacturers with performance off roaders to make a race series as Quantya and Zero all have their own offerings. The urban sections of the recent Eco Enduro in Copenhagen looked like the start of a new sport. However the KTM seems to be a bit heavy and down on power to compete with these other two machines so they need to amp it up before releasing this model.

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jimbob46

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jimbob46 says:

Sorry to say I won't be buying one at over £9000 whether it's good for the planet or not, look around and see what you can get for that money and I suspect the uptake will be very low.

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AndyDownes

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AndyDownes says:

daveb - oops

daveb

Thanks for pointing that little error of mine out!! I'd like to blame a slip of the finger but as the W and X keys are miles apart on a keyboard I can't do that.

Must be because I just got my BMW R1200RT long term test bike last week and have been a bit BMW-obsessed. In fact, maybe my RT could mix it up on some jumps with the KTM electric Freeride?

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DrFutura

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DrFutura says:

Grossly overpriced

the price is just silly, we may want to go green but we are not so green as we are cabbage looking, as me granny used to say. If it has the performance of a 125, why not buy a 125, for less than a quarter of the price and 90mpg. Thats green enough.

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eeycrdac

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eeycrdac says:

green or mean?

There is this assumption that electric powered motors are better for the environment, more "green".

This is because you can't physically see petrol being burnt - so where did it come from?

In 2007 6.7 per cent of total energy used came from non-fossil fuel sources (see "http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=151"). Displacing the pollution from the back end of motorbikes to the business end of an industrial coal power plant does NOT mean that you are doing right by the environment.

Electricity has to be generated using fossil fuel in a power station, stored, transformed up to be beamed across the country, transformed back down where its needed and then put into a battery to drive a motor replacing a petrol burning engine. All of these inefficiencies - in power generation, transmission, storage and usage (in the electric motorbike) add up. I wonder whether this truly is a 'green' solution or if it is a way of selling a questionably better solution at a massive price whilst looking technologically moral.

Finally, say these caught on and in a year 50% of motorcyclists switched to these. The stress and expense that would place on the UK power grid would be immense. And as always, its the consumer who would end up footing rising electricity bills.  

I would be happy if someone in the know were to post back showing that electric motorbikes are sustainable (in terms of uk power), cheaper than - or as cheap as the petrol equivalent (without sacrificing petrol tank range) and dramatically better for the environment. In fact, if this were true, I might even buy one.

 

 

 

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AdieR

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AdieR says:

electric vehicles

electric vehicles may at first glance may appear "green", but delve a bit deeper and it isn't quite as clear cut as is made out.

Many people keep looking at the "dirty oil vs clean electric" arguement, and manufacturers like to keep the focus there (they have a vested interest - they want to sell the things).

The problem is you have to look at the bigger picture, and look at the whole-life cycle of the product.

Steel has to be mined (as iron), thus producing carbon. Then you have to transport it for processing, producing more co2. And then processed etc. Think of all the material on a bike - steel, plastics, rubber etc., and the carbon produced HAS to be quantified.

Many of these "green" electric vehicles use Rare Earth motors. Rare Earth is mined largely in third world countries (China being a primary source). RE is treated with all kinds of toxic chemicals and acids which is allowed then to flow to rivers, lakes and land (including farmland). Maybe we're simply swapping one form of pollution for another?

With that, you have to compare energy use like for like over a period of years ie if a petrol bike with say a 5gallon tank has economy of 30mpg then 5gallon x 30mpg = 150 miles per tank and quantify the carbon produced. And add up how many charges an electric machine needs for the same distance (how much co2 per charge).

At the end of its life, that bike requires disposal, and what do we do with all the batteries/motors/electronics? dismantling? re-cycling? transport to some specialist centre?

All the carbon produced HAS to be quantified before you can truly say that one technology is better than another, unfortuneately a woefully insufficient level of R&D has gone into that.

Quite apart from that, the infrastructure for alternative systems has to be in place as well (ie, charging points).

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