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Matthew Birt  says:

How James Toseland helped in Motegi thriller

James Toseland inadvertently played a key role in the thrilling podium fight between bitter rivals Valentino Rossi and Jorge Lorenzo in the recent Japanese MotoGP race. It emerged after the classic encounter that Rossi appeared to have jumped the start, videos posted on the internet clearly showing the Italian moved while the red lights were on. Had Race Direction enforced the letter...

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Jeff44

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Jeff44 says:

Boring!

16 bikes on the grid (ok usualy 17 WOW!) ,only ever the usual 3 or 4 riders out front,cant see anything exciting about that!! WSKs BSB or Moto2 far better!

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RawDawg

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RawDawg says:

I have a problem with this

He is basically says that Rossi did the same thing as James did but he wasn't punished like James got punished.

It would be one thing if the rules were changed but he clearly state there was no rule change. He states "The rule says you must not move when the red light is on". This is not a judgement call - it's a "he did or he didn't" call. Now they have open a can of worms and made it a judgement call. How is it determine if a rider gets an advantage or not?

If they are going to do something different than they need to change the actual rule. Change it to a rider can't cross the line or touch the line before the lights go out or whatever. They can use sensors for that. But don't make it into a judgement call because the opens the door for rider bias/favoritism by officials and pressure from sponsors which isn't fair to the all competitors and teams.

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kaiser954rr

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kaiser954rr says:

VR is not MOTO GP...

So if you knew you did something 'wrong' but you also knew you wouldn't get pulled for it, would you do it again? And if you did, what's to stop anyone else doing it? The only thing stopping anyone else is your name. If it's not Rossi then forget it. I thought rules were for every body. Riders, teams and the staff that make it all happen. If at some tracks the rules are bent, some might wonder about other results. As soon as the 'black and white' become a slightly muddy colour then it's time to be concerned.

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manxmouse

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manxmouse says:

Calculated

Do you think that is why Rossi fluffed his start? He knew he moved and headed off the chance of a ride through by dropping places to get the get the benefit of the doubt.

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VALENCIA

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VALENCIA says:

Helped!!!!

Toseland would've needed a five minute head start and still wouldn't have made the podium. He helped in that race by not being there to get in the way as a back marker. If memory serves me right he was sat in the gravel at Magny-cours!!

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hobes

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hobes says:

If shoe was on other foot

Really VR being let go of a ride through penalty, would of put his handbag in a twist.

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aquarius

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aquarius says:

It took long enough ...

... for the penny to drop here. As I have stated several time over the past 15-16 months, there has invariably been one set of Rules ( or their application ) for Rossi over the past 6+ years and one set for everyone else. It would appear that some are becoming more aware of this and are as disturbed as other competitors and more discerning observers have been. I can recall at least 4 occasions where Rossi has passed under Yellow flags - others guilty of the same were penalised - Rossi's breaches were either ignored or quickly swept under the carpet. I truly admire Rossi's sublime ability and consistency - no-one is arguing with his fabulous record and multiple Titles - BUT - as someone else succinctly put it, no-one is bigger than the sport itself and the Rules should apply equally and without fear or favour to all. They haven't - and Paul Butler's pathetic rationale is simply a cop-out and refusal to take the hard decisions for fear of a fan backlash and bad PR. This is precisely in the same vein that an already crashed-out Schumaker was allowed to get away with deliberately accelerating back on track and " biffing-off " Damon Hill at Adelaide to win the World Championship. RawDawg's last sentence nails it exactly.

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v1nn1e

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v1nn1e says:

Agree

Have to say that, despite the spectacle that Rossi provided, this feels like a slippery slope...  <¬(

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aquarius

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aquarius says:

killahrat ...

You are obviously a true fan of motorcycle racing ... Let's leave it at that and talk about that great Leeds Utd team of the 1970's and Norman ( bite yer legs ) Hunter. Did you keep supporting them when they were perpetual bridesmaids, despite being a GREAT side, even getting  done by minnows, Colchester Utd who  knocked them out in the 5th Round of the FA Cup? Poor Norman got the ankle-biter label stuck on him when both Bremner and Giles were by far the grubbier players. But who could forget the boxing match in 1975 when Hunter traded punches like a heavyweight title fight with Franny Lee of Derby County? A team mate of mine played in South Africa with Lee - an experience he said was " interesting ". About 1500 white people isolated in one barricaded-off place in the stadiums and some 80,000 Zulu and other black people occupying the rest. A couple of thousand Police roamed the touchlines with vicious German Shepherds and batons and SMG's. Bizarre...  The point is, what if your beloved Leeds had a different off-side Rule applying to them where they were ALWAYS adjudged to have goals disallowed? How would you cop that, Mr K? Or, Chelsea ( following your logic - being the better supported side ) not having ANY offsides whatsoever? Same, same. Cheers

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topcat2002

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topcat2002 says:

toeslands down but not out, so lets give him a brake.....................................good Luck 2011.

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