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Dan Aspel  says:

Avoiding idiots: readers’ videos

Last week we showed you a highlight video of Dublin’s worst drivers and asked MCN readers to submit their own footage. Thanks to everyone who contributed, and we hope you enjoy six of the best that we’ve included below. From the dangerous to the controversial, they highlight some of the hazards faced by motorcyclists every day on Britain’s roads and beyond.

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sidecarchris

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sidecarchris says:

Sorry mate I didnt see you

Some of you may have seen this!

http://www.asylum.co.uk/2011/02/08/video-motorcyclist-gets-rear-ended-and-still-lands-on-his-fe/1#c32986129

Could this have been avoided by the rider?

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lewi103

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lewi103 says:

Hedgehog...

looks like you're vastly outnumbered! ;) haha

Regardless of what you say, how long you've survived, how you interpret the highway code...I still stand by my opinion that your riding is extremely unsuitable. What you are doing can not be called filtering, while the highway code doesn't set a limit if I could refer you to Claims specialist Thomas Lawton:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/community/Forums/Categories/Topic/?topic-id=357452

the key points being that the traffic in your video is not queueing...and you would still be mainly liable in the case of an accident. The fact that the car was able to overtake demonstrates that this is "free-flowing traffic" and by definition not a queue. Just saying...

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lewi103

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lewi103 says:

Think you need a new speedo...

In the first clip with the TVR your riding a touch under 30mph...definitely not "0-15mph", even though you claim the camera makes it look faster. I know how far apart the street lamps are, your camera can't change that. It sounds like I'm trying to prove you wrong and make you look like an idiot...but in reality I just think you need to rethink what filtering is, if you were to have an accident you would almost certainly be liable.

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Fazerpod

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Fazerpod says:

Hedgehog

Hedgehog,

i think you should seriously do an IAM course or similar.  It isnot just about road positioning, it's about a way of thinking.  They teach you to look at the world differently and anticipate all the things that happened to you while filtering.  After you've done it, you will look back at this video and re-think your protestations of innocence.

If you have heard of defensive riding - this is where you do not just blythely adhere to the rules of the road and assume you will be OK, this is where you are constantly thinking "what can go wrong" and planning in advance what you would do it if does.  This way you get far fewer surprises and near misses.

I'm not trying to lecture you, honest, I'm a thirty something biker girl so I'm not trying to give you fartherly advice or anything.  I just recognise the attitude from when I first rode and it is radically different now.  in faact I'd kick myself ten times over if i allowed one of those situations to happen to me when out riding.

Take care out there, PODx

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Fazerpod

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Fazerpod says:

Hedgehog

Double post :mad:

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cokedealer

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cokedealer says:

hedgehog has skills

LOL HEDGEHOG YOURE MY HERO. when i grow up i want to be just like you

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akhall

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akhall says:

filtering

Hedgehog, i'm sorry mate but ive just seen and read through all the comments about these videos  and again looked through yours and i must agree that to the camera angle shown its looks mighty stupid what you are doing, even if it is only 15mph as you say, its way to fast for the road conditions, i add my luck to your riding life but i think sadly you are going to end up as another statistic. I think yes you did anticipate them but chose to ignore what you know you should of done just to prove a point, which is great for you when your six feet underground. best of luck.

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aquarius

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aquarius says:

Happens all the time, eh?

Vid # 1: Up in the Ranges here in South-East Queensland you get morons, usually in 4WD's, doing this ( as with the truck ) all the time. Your choices are: sheer rock cliff-face on one side - OR - a 1,000 foot plunge off an almost sheer ridge on the other - if you survive hitting dense and large trees first. On Left-Handers where the visiblity is limited and you take a " wide sight-line " in - to have these cretins suddenly appear several feet to 1,5M over the dividing line is disconcerting and certainly gets your attention. I always take a wide sight line well to the left on Right-Handers too and turn-in as late as possible - precisely to avoid this very situation. It takes a while to learn to use these lines and position the bike here with confidence whilst looking at the line ahead and across that you want to be on. Taking a fast exit out of a LH that puts you out by the centre-line - only to find some bug-eyed squid in a WRX or similar going in wide is just as bad. I ride VERY defensively where I can't see if either type of these homicidal jerks are coming the other way.

Vids #2 & 3: Whenever some bullying/blind/careless moron does this to me - if you can't get to them to grasp them by the oesophagus and drag them out the driver's window for a good, hard slap - I have always found that kicking their driver's door mirror off works reasonably well. Excellent for Motorways where you can do the " lesson-learnt " and message-sending business and disappear very promptly. Good for dealing with female murderers and elderly killers too where you can't damage them personally. Like training dogs - it is critical you perform the punishment ( I would NEVER hurt an animal - smacking a rolled-up newspaper into my open hand or against the thigh is enough ) immediately - so they appreciate and associate cause and effect. Be aware that very many people and drivers don't have the intelligence of a Shih tzu.

Vid # 4: While I may " lane split " or " filter " on a Motorway where there is a bit more wriggle-room very occasionally - to do this in fairly dense traffic as this guy does is to invite premature death here in Australia. Sorry, man - no sympathy here at all. People actually take notice of a motorcycle horn in the UK - AMAZING ??? Here, if they haven't got the radio or CD player up loud - they are deaf, texting, eating & drinking or smacking the kids - or will just give you the finger. Understand that this is where a Police car, Ambulance or Fire Engine can drive 5 klms hard right up the arse of a motorist with siren blaring and lights flashing and they STILL won't move over or get out of the way. What chance have you got on a bike?

Last one: say no more. To actually have you off and - " Sorry mate, I didn't see you " should ALWAYS be replied to by the knee hard in the nuts, when they fold-over, the hard upper cut to the face or solar plexus and the officially approved by motorcyclists World-wide words - " That's right, Mate - because you never fucking looked ! "

Ride safe and don't let the bastards even TRY to kill you. Don't get mad - just get even - and always offer instant and complimentary corrective training. Cheers

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Fazerpod

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Fazerpod says:

30 years experience

Hedgehog, what you said below makes it worse....

The fact that you have 30 years experience on the road (compared to my 20) should mean you are a better rider.  In fact it seems to have made you aggressive and arrogant.

You say you anticipated what the car drivers would do and yet still chose to rush up behind / beside them and put yourself at risk simply to give yourself an excuse to beep your horn and make a point?  Really?

Then to post the video online as an example of how the car drivers are muppets seems to me to stink of hypocracy..

If you think you are doing the rest of the m/c community a favour, you are not going to so so when you get knocked off and the rest of the world cries out about how dangerous it is to ride a m/c.  Please stop this insane behaviour!  Seriously!

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tl1000kid

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tl1000kid says:

Asking for trouble

I'm sorry, but the guy in the video entitled "Minor Daily Incidents" is really asking for trouble riding like that...

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