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steveb

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steveb says:

MAG Demo 25/9/11 - C&P

THIS AFFECTS ALL OF US, PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO ITEMS 6 AND 7
Further to the meeting I've just had with the chairman of the committee of EU Internal Market and Consumer Protection (IMCO) I now have a better idea of what we are looking at as the Anti Tampering Regulation moves through the EU legislative process.

Amendments are on the table now and being discussed, like giving an opt out for special 'one-off' builders, (but only the British and the Finns want that) and also making ABS compulsory on mopeds too (Germans want that- or rather the German ABS industry wants that). When IMCO finally vote on this (4/5 or 6th Oct) it then goes to Parliament.

As this is a 'Framework Regulation' once passed it does not have to be transposed into Law in Individual Member States, as it will happen automatically.

So, as far as the 25th September Motorway Mayhem day goes, the 10 very real European issues that we still need to draw attention to are:

1- The Anti tampering Regulation: Specifically Article 18 which wants to stop all modifications to complete power train, from airbox to controlling the rear tyre profile.

2- Compulsory ABS. If we can't stop this, we must get a switch so that we have an option in difficult conditions where ABS doesn't function well.

3- Automatic headlights on- passing the blame for poor observation on to us.

4- OBD. On Board Diagnostics so that easy roadside checks can be made of our emissions and so that constant readouts of engine performance can be obtained. Expensive, complicated and with the threat, rather like a tacho, of identifying past riding style...

5- RMI. Repair and Maintenance Information. Rather than keeping it hidden and available for huge expense, there is a chance that manufacturers will be forced to provide ECU codes etc for a fee. What that fee is remains to be seen.

6- The very worrying article 52: "If systems, components or seperate technical units on a list in a delegated act to this regulation, have a dual use, for vehicles intended exclusively for racing on roads and for vehicles intended for use on public roads, they may not be sold or offered for sale to consumers"

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steveb

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steveb says:

... continued

So if your K&N filter can fit a CBR race bike and a CBR road bike, the best way to police that, is to make it illegal to sell the filter in Europe.

The Delegated Acts are the most scarey thing, as they are the lists and details drawn up by the unelected and we won't get to see what they are including until after the Regulation has been passed!

7- In solidarity with the French we will be drawing attention to their recent gov proposal to ban all bikes over 7 years old from an urban area and to make the wearing of day-glo/ reflective clothing compulsory.

8- Full sleeve day-glo clothing for riders and passengers has been proposed in the Irish Parliament too.

9- All these issues lead to the same thing, that we must take the blame for the incompetence of other road users. And while the emergency stop has been removed as a compulsory element of the car driving test, we are jumping through hoops with ill judged UK interpretation of EU licencing directives.

10- Another EU licencing Directive is on its way (3DLD) to step the bike licencing system still further and the DfT and DSA still haven't sorted even the consultation process, even though it is meant to be in law by now and enacted January 2013.


Plans for the day (25th Sept) are that all over the country riders meet at midday in M-way services (or suitable similar if there's no motorway to hand) and at exactly 13.00 groups of riders set off to ride perfectly legally at a sedate Sunday 45/50mph on the country's motorway network. Perhaps over bridges, near the confluence of other motorways etc.

The MAG and other websites will carry details of all the meeting places.

It's the simultaneous element that carries the weight, as even 50 bikes together will cause disruption, but happening everywhere across the country will be powerful and will have the traffic alerts discussing it. They'll be primed.

Riders will disperse as rapidly as they appeared, but after riding for a few junctions at below the speed the trucks use, our impact should be felt.

No need for marshalls, no one can go the wrong way.
No hot engines, no speeches, ride as far as you wish
One media contact number
The threat that we can do it again on a different day of the week will be established.

Our MEPs will be preparing to rubber stamp another regulation put before them. This time they may stop to read it.

Now I appreciate that this may be way too many words for your available space, but anything will be appreciated. If you could let the odd '25th September' appear subliminally throughout the magazine...
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Kind regards

Paddy Tyson
Campaigns Co-ordinator
MAG (UK) - Motorcycle Action Group


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James600zx

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James600zx says:

MAG Demo 25/9/11.

"-the emergency stop has been removed as a compulsory element of the car driving test,"

Crikey, what do they teach them these days then?

I've been trying to find more information about anti-tampering legislation after reading this post. I found this document; Substantial improvements of motorcycle functional safety and emission performance.

I'll be up for this protest.

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hawk750

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hawk750 says:

Paddy (Campaigns Co-ordinator)

http://forum.notobikeparkingtax.com/discuss/mag-are-doing-another-demo/msg62189/#new

Get it touch with our admin we're all up for supporting you on this!

 

Maybe another M25 run for all the south east riders!

 

Meet Ace cafe & go anticlockwise as it gets the long boring bit of the M/way out of the way first.

Leave the Ace about 12.00 so we hit the M/way at 13.00pm

 

And don't forget we need Flyers & Posters to hand out!!!

 

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James600zx

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James600zx says:

Hawk750,

Why not join in independently, there's no need to make this another NTBPT protest. That argument is lost and it will divert attention from this particular cause.

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obewan

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obewan says:

whilst I applaud

the proposal have you tried getting up to 45mph on the M6 on Sunday afternoon - unlikely.

Surely better on a Monday bloomin morning

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hawk750

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hawk750 says:

James600zx

I'm not trying to make it a NTBPT protest it's a call for bikers to join the demo.

We're a group of bikers right!

We don't have to ware our NTBPT hi-viz right! (do I look like I'd wear one of them hi-viz things) Fuck off will I!

We had 13 bikes run up to the Brum run & we were greeted for running up there by the MAG guys up there.

Now read the surport we're giving MAG on our forum

 http://forum.notobikeparkingtax.com/discuss/mag-are-doing-another-demo/msg62210/#new

 

 

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James600zx

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James600zx says:

Hawk,

Fair enough!
:smile

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charonboatman

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demo run 25th September

I'm all for supporting this - yes I wear a high viz jacket but this is by choice not because I have to!  Any one from the Teesside area participating?  If yes, do you have a meeting place organised?

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fordpaul

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fordpaul says:

Meeting points?

Is there a list anywhere for all the meeting points?

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hawk750

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hawk750 says:

A list of meeting places

Don't be silly this is a MAG demo!

You have to guess where their meeting. :lol::lol:

They wouldn't even answer a email I sent them asking about it.

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