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Steve Farrell  says:

Bikers asked for views on anti-tampering plans

British motorcyclists have been asked for views on a raft of European proposals for bikes including mandatory ABS and measures to prevent tuning. A consultation launched by the Department for Transport gives riders until October 28 to respond. Roads Minister Mike Penning said: "This is a chance for both motorcycle manufacturers and riders to have their say on this new EU Regulation. ...

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jollyboy

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jollyboy says:

@Stobes

"This is just another way for the government to reduce the number of motorcycles on the road......" An impressive rant, but what you haven't explained is why the government would want to take motorcycles off the road. You seem to take it as an article of faith that the government want to take bikes off the road. Where's your evidence that they do?

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chrisyzf

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chrisyzf says:

HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY READ THE DOCUMENTS

Has anyone on here bothered to read the documents, yes they are an attack on motorcycling however they are only a 'DIRECTIVE' which is not 'LAW', only REGULATIONS are LAW.


• The UK has repelled the 74Kw (100bhp) proposal.
• ABS on all bikes from 2017 is that a really bad thing nearly all cars have it now and do you really notice the use of ABS i think not.
• Anti-tampering is for Moped and bikes<125cc, so does not affect bigger bikes
• OBD diagnostics, is to monitor emission levels and adjust engine running to optimum level, best performance
• Day time head lights / running lights, only numpties ride without lights on so what’s the issue.
• The only other issue seems to be the freedom of information and parts to smaller bike shops for easier servicing to manufacturers recommendations


I could be reading the documents totally wrong, so could the MCN actually get of their fat arse and publish actual simple facts and implications on this matter before the deadline for response, or are they going to sit on the fence yet again and only act as a tabloid and publish scare mongering.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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lewi103

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lewi103 says:

YES

Hi chrisyzf, It is CURRENTLY an EU directive but is being proposed as standards forming new legislation. ABS is for all bikes over 125cc and could be disastrous for the dual sport market. That is unless manufacturers are permitted to make ABS switchable for off-road use. Obviously the cost is a big issue as well, they claim it's around £300 + fitting but good luck trying to find it that cheap, BMW is near enough £700. After all it will the OEM's fitting it so their cost analysis seems dramatically ambitious, we all know with OEM kit you pay for the badge (to quote a recent MCN article..) Anti-tampering if for ALL 2-wheeled vehicles and applies to the "powertrain", the fact this is not more specific sums up how little the guys drawing up the proposals know about motorcycles. As it is this by definition rules out modifications to engine, exhaust, wheels, tires, suspsension, sprockets etc.... The OBD is OK apart from the fact if there is a problem you'll get big warning lights if something is slightly wrong and you'll then have to pay someone to investigate the matter and fix the fault before the light goes off. In general it won't really effect old motorcycles as non on the regulations are to be applied retrospectively, it will however make new motorcycles dramatically more expensive, limit what we can do to them and who we can go and see to get the serviced/repaired. That and if it's so important why don't they make this legislation applicable to cars too?!?!?

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fryatuck

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fryatuck says:

Bang go the custom motorcycle

Anti-Tampering will kill Custom bike. then same with adventure riders to that add after-market parts Plus would they have to have a dealership support vehicles so parts could be fitted ?

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Kingsil

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Kingsil says:

Bon Voyage

The grey men hate innovators and invention. They can't make anything themselves except rules that stop others from making things. Douglas Adams had the right idea, gather up all the useless people, bureaucrats,life-style coaches,health and safety officers, politicians etc. stick em all on a spaceship bound for Alpha Centauri and tell em we'll be right behind them on the next ship.

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arbg92

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arbg92 says:

As usual the blokes in suits seem hell bent on blatant discrimination against the bike industry, Why on earth do manufacturers put up with these idiots. Would they be so keen if all manufacturers decided to move there manufacturing outside the EU,? Lot of jobs and revenue lost there. As to Mike Penning! what a guy..! the guy who has now decided that the new motorcycle test on the MPTC maybe obsolete and is toying with the idea of moving it all back to the roads.! Another waste of millions by those people in those ivory towers.!

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bmwgs

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bmwgs says:

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moving the bikes test back to the road will gives riders better road skills riding with cars ect.

and if i can still ride my classics on the i be happy as i wont have ABS or any other rubbish fitted.

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BBQdog

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BBQdog says:

F*cking EU again, must yet see the first thing positive coming from it or something that doesn't cost us loads of money.

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yevrah

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yevrah says:

EU & anti-tampering

These idiots (EU & our own politicians) are just hell bent on destroying motorcycling, and unfortunately the motorcycle industry just capitulates and we all suffer, ie look at 'two stokes' GONE! One thing to do at least is to have a small personal fight back by signing up to the 'Campaiign for a Referendum', www.haveyoursay.eu and tell them that we want a VOTE! Preferably out.

 

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aboutye

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aboutye says:

You might be intetrested in this from Malcolm Harbour, Chairman of the IMCO Committee (Dealing with the regulations at present) and Shadow Rapporteur for the European Conservatives and Reformists Group (ECR) in relation to the Commission proposal for an EU Regulation on the approval and market surveillance of two- or three-wheel vehicles and quadricycles.

www.righttoride.eu/

And the whole monty on the work by Right To Ride EU www.righttoride.eu/

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