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Matthew Birt  says:

Jerry Burgess: ‘We need some more help’

Valentino Rossi’s legendary crew chief Jerry Burgess said it is time for Ducati to start making radical changes to its struggling Desmosedici MotoGP project. Rossi finished seventh in his home race in Misano last weekend but still finished 23 seconds behind race winner Casey Stoner as the GP11.1 machine was comprehensively defeated by Honda and Yamaha again. And Aussie Burgess says the...

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Jun 11

Posts: 942

Moaner says:

I didn't read your post before posting mine Hedgy..

I promise... :) Scarily similar...

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Oct 09

Posts: 152

dred0 says:

everyone equal..

steady on guys, you carry on like that and we will end up with a one manufacturer, one tyre, one chassis championship... prototype racing is dead.. long live the "Honda we are the best and got what we wanted Cup"

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Mar 09

Posts: 233

torryboy says:


makes that its a 45 minute fix for the duke comment he made when he and vale signed for ducati ook really bad eh!and you would think the greatest of all time would at least try and ride round the problems like stoner but i suppose that sort of thing is beneth him.

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Jun 11

Posts: 942

Moaner says:

Burgess actually said...

It was an 80 second fix... even worse and a complete under-estimation on his and Rossi's part! this should be a very humbling situation for the pair of them and i hope they learn from it!!

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Mar 03

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Sheene Fan7 says:

dont you just love the armchair racers on here

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Nov 03

Posts: 315

elefantman says:


The comparison is valid and probably the closest we will ever get. Last year when Rossi's switch was announced people were acting like he was a Messiah who was going to jump on the Ducati and somehow transform it, eclipsing Stoner's already impressive performance. If you believe the hype about Rossi and his supremacy then that is what should have happened. It didn't.

Stoner did not have 4 years experience on that bike either - it went through several evolutions, from tube frame to carbon for example. But the bike Rossi tested at the end of 2010 and has raced on this year is very close to what Stoner had during 2010. Rossi's form on it during the Valencia test was immediately poor, and he has done no better since.

The other bikes including the Honda and Yamaha did not make a massive leap this year. If you take whatever improvements they did make, and add to that Rossi's lack of experience with the Ducati, it still doesn't explain away Rossi's massive lack of form on a bike that Stoner was able to race to credible results.

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Aug 02

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Hedgehog5 says:


"The comparison is valid and probably the closest we will ever get"

If we take it that the comparison is valid (& I don't agree that it is) then what have we proved... not that "This is the year we learned that on an equivalent bike, Stoner is a better rider than Rossi", but that last year on a Ducati Stoner was a better rider than Rossi was at the start of this year... the equivalent bike has to be a Ducati 'cos that's the bike Rossi can't ride. Put them both on a Honda & I think that Stoner would still beat Rossi but there's no way I could prove it.

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Mar 09

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Nostrodamus says:

Moaner you may have missed

the fact Lorenzo had Rossi's number well and truly last year. Oh but yes I know, the shoulder, the shoulder. The bloody shoulder that gave him gyp when he didn't win but miraculously was O.K in Malaysia.

The Yamaha Motor Company recognised this fact to with their determination to retain their World Champion despite the protestations, demands and tantrums of their former world champion.

We can all argue hypotheticals 'til we're blue in the face. Yet the glaringly obvious fact in the here and now is Rossi has been one gigantic flop on the Ducati. Yes some culpability on Ducati's part but the vast majority of it lies at his own egotistical feet.

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Aug 11

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Bootlegger says:


They don't need help. All they had to do was secure an equal deal with Lorenzo for 2011 and beyond. They opted for a 'real' challenge and now they have it.  The obvious challenge was to defeat Lorenzo on level kit 2011, but 'GOAT' saw it not. So,challenges they have, results they don't. I wonder for how long Philip Morris will appease their cries for help. 

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Sep 11

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adamlines says:

but Stoner didnt win? Lorenzo did? poor effort MCN

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