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Matthew Birt  says:

Yamaha ready for team orders to help Jorge Lorenzo

Yamaha will have no hesitation in implementing controversial team orders if required to help Jorge Lorenzo successfully defend the MotoGP world title in 2011. The Spaniard trails Honda rival Casey Stoner by a massive 44-points with only four races remaining and Yamaha management have confirmed that if necessary they will ask Ben Spies to help Lorenzo in the final phase of...

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Ben52

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Ben52 says:

Bollocks!!

All riders are competing for championship points, if Lorenzo is that good Spies wont be a problem, comes to something when you have to tell your team mate to help you.

 

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PaceyCasey

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PaceyCasey says:

What to do?

I'm not in favour of team orders but in these days of 'corporate this and corporate that' it seems to be part of the game. Factories want to be as high as possible and sponsors want a return on their investment.

If i was in with a chance of the WC (however small) and my team mate, who had no chance, didn't help me then i guess i'd feel pissed. If i was Ben then i'd help Jorge and would expect similar in the future should it happen. I'm sure Jorge has helped Ben this season so would it be too much to ask..............?

 

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X2Glider

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X2Glider says:

Get rid of...

the constructor's title.  Let's face it, the more bikes you have, the more points you can score.  So throwing lots of bikes at the title is a sure thing and really means nothing becaue all you're doing is winning due to sheer numbers on the grid.

Some sports truly are team sports because it takes more than one person to play the game...soccer, football, rugby, hockey, basketball...

Motorcycles, only one rider can ride the bike at a time and therefore can not truly be called a team sport.  Pure and simple, it is an individual sport.

Get rid of the constructor's title and we can get back to real racing where every rider on the grid is competing for 1st place.  None of this team order crap.  If a rider can not win on their own accord and requires the assistance of another rider to put themselves between a rider in front and in back to help increase the point spread by cock blocking other riedrs, they don't truly deserve to win.

Just because there are 2 or 3 bikes in a paddock and are all painted the same colors does not make motorcycle racing a team sport. 

Anyone caught influencing the finishing order due to team orders should be penalized.  Not just that rider, but the "team mate" they are helping and the team itself.

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PaceyCasey

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PaceyCasey says:

The prob i have 'glider' is that if you've been working as 'a team' for most of the year then that should carry through until the season's end.

Should JL have given Ben some info earlier in the season that improved Bens results then i'd expect a 'favour' in return. It's a tough one that i'm not particularly happy with but equally it's 'swings and roundabouts' to a degree. Or, run a two man factory team but with no info shared. That would give each rider the individuality they'd like but i can't see any factory willing to follow this road. The factory want to win, period.

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yammy7r

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yammy7r says:

Team orders

Jorge does'nt need any help from Spies because the number 11 very rarely gets close to him

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dacron

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dacron says:

how can someone claim to be world champion after skitching there team mate onto the real challenger while he rides of into the fanfair and false praise is beyond me , its all a fantasy , especially when the other challenger is battling full on against his own team mates as well as the others...if stoner wins the title this year it will be a double deserved one...but that probly won't shut the stoner slagers up , he's riding in another sport , a completely new level of speed racing , sure it can be a little boring in a race sense , but if others were riding at his pace it would be the greatest racing on earth , so don't complain that he just rides off , complain the the others don't speed up.

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motoking

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motoking says:

HAH!! what i told ya??

I WANT ALL ROSSI'S FANS HERE READ THIS THREAD CAREFULLY. EVEN FURUSAWA STILL HUMBLE SAID HE AND ROSSI DEVELOPTED THE BIKE IN ONE PART OF STATEMENT. GOODNESS. AND HIS TRACK RECORD SHOWN HOW SMART ASS HE IS!!!!

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/166485/1/furusawa_reflects_on_eve_of_yamaha_motogp_exit.html

and the statement above, well, DO YOU ALL ROSSI'S FANS STILL THINK HE IS THE DEVELOPMENT RIDER???? GOAT MASTER, YES.

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cthwaites

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cthwaites says:

@Aquarius....thanks very much. I'm very impressed by yr comments and memory...heck these are just blurs for me at this point. The Rossi drama has echoes of Lawson/Cagiva but the fall from grace is really disturbing for VR. JB used to say that GP was 20/80 driver/machine but that MotoGP was 80/20. I wonder what he feels now. Ducati really seemed to have lost it. On a macro economy scale, Italy is headlong into an economic funk....austerity, debt and slow growth. I doubt if Ducati even has the will, yet alone financial fire power to do much more. The Japanese companies can continue to do what they have always done best: slow plodding engineering improvements. Either way, looks like we're in for a period of low rider turnout, little meaningful sponsorship (crisps and soft porn come to mind in 2011), processional racing and PR attacks on competing riders. Oh, wait....

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valentinoGOD

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valentinoGOD says:

thats it lorenzo DONT WIN IT YOURSELF!! some talent you have or should i say cry baby skills?

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Two riders, fairly close on points going into the last round. Rider A has had the upper hand most of the season over rider B and is the one leading the title.

In the last race rider A gets taken out by someone else, he's entirely blameless. Rider B was way behind him with no chance of the title. However, with Rider A now out rider B has his team mate up ahead by say 15 seconds or so, on course to win the race with a couple of laps to go. If team mate slows down and lets Rider B through, he wins the title.

If you were rider B, would you stand up with your head held high,  happy that you'd 'won' the title on merit. Or is it just having your name on the trophy that counts? Not how it's won.

There is no merit in team orders or beating someone by unfair means. Everyone is in the race and your job is to beat everyone, team mate or not.

If it's a team sport there should be an open book between rider's data, sharing of new parts, development upgrades etc etc.

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