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Steve Farrell  says:

Brussels demo over EU plans

MCN is taking the fight over the meddling EU to Brussels with a demonstration rally. We’re staging a protest ride to European Parliament to coincide with a vote on restrictive new measures for bikes. Join our Facebook group on the demo here Tuning could become impossible and even home-maintenance severely hampered under proposals to make bikes impossible to modify. So-called onboard diagnostic systems on...

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bcroninuk

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bcroninuk says:

Death of biking

If this goes through I can see manufactures struggling and folding! I would never buy one of those "EU" bikes..... Wait! It is against my human rights to not be able to self service my bike.....

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TLom

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TLom says:

too late?

Will join the Facebook group and hope this makes a difference, but a demo on the day of the vote is way too late, they will already know how they are going to vote.

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bikenutter

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bikenutter says:

Oh, it is on like a prawn who yawns at dawn.

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aboutye

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aboutye says:

Can you tell me exactly where it says in the proposal that:

Tuning will become impossible and even home-maintenance severely hampered under proposals to make bikes impossible to modify.

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exsup

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exsup says:

EU Laws

I am with bcroninuk with this I buy a new bike every two Years if these EU bikes are tamper proof I will never buy one I will either stop biking or just keep the one I have.

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Grumpyoldtechie

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You do know it's illegal to stage demonstrations in Brussels while the parliament is sitting?

 

And have you actually read the proposals? Just where does it say home servicing will be banned, or "so-called onboard diagnostics" will detect non standard parts?

If you're going to organise a protest you should at least try to get the facts straight!

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wilkopicture

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wilkopicture says:

The is a film at http://cibfilmfestival.org/index.php  is interesting.

Anyone with a film of teh Brussels demo - or just footage ought to send it.

 

 

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Andy_L

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Andy_L says:

what the proposals actually say

...can be found here:

www.ipex.eu/IPEXL-WEB/dossier/files/download/082dbcc530b1bf490130bc628e693db7.do

The anti-tampering stuff is in article 18 on page 31.

What it says is that bikes will have to be fitted with "designated measures" designed to prevent any modification to increase performance or circumvent emission controls.

I think that makes it pretty clear that the intention is to make tuning impossible.  The "designated measures" won't be defined in the primary legislation; they are to be subsequently defined by the Commission as they see fit.

The proposals also require the fitment of on-board diagnostics that can monitor emissions and the performance of vehicle systems (article 19).  So it's hardly a great leap to conclude that the on-board diagnostics are likely to form part of the "designated measures" for article 18.

 

One positive thing that I haven't seen mentioned so far - the proposals include the removal of the French 100bhp limit.

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ACEEDSTORM

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ACEEDSTORM says:

If these laws come into force,which they will coz the Eurocrats want it to,the price of older bikes will rocket,which is good news for bikers like me who have no intrest in the latest bikes but a disaster for all the manufacturers who will take a massive hit in sales,then again elimination of bikes is the long term strategy of all politicians.

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aboutye

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aboutye says:

@ Andy L

What the proposal says:

L-category vehicles shall be equipped with designated measures to prevent tampering of a vehicle's powertrain, to be laid down in a delegated act by means of a series of technical requirements and specifications with the aim:

(a) to prevent modifications that may prejudice safety, in particular by increasing vehicle performance through tampering with the powertrain in order to increase the maximum torque and/ or power and/or maximum designed vehicle speed as declared by the manufacturer of a vehicle upon type-approval, and/or

(b) to prevent damage to the environment.

However yes the problem is the delegated acts, you say  "they are to be subsequently defined by the Commission as they see fit. " however there are amemends by MEPs to the proposal so that the EU Parliament has scrutiny on what the EU Commission is doing.

But still a problem as the whole process would need constant monitoring so that they dont slip anything in.

However the DfT have a consultation at http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/dft-2011-26 and read this

http://www.righttoride.eu/regulationdocuments/UK_Government_Briefing_on_Two_and_Three_Wheeled_Vehicle_090911.doc

You can ride in demos and sign petitions and demand that we should leave the EU - all good stuff.

But the proposals are here right now and being discussed and there is an oportunity to respond.

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