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Don't disagree with that

No-one will win a championship on an uncompetitive bike, no matter how good they are and this era, they'd be lucky to win a race. I think going straight onto the Honda 500 was a massive advantage/milestone in his career (I don't mean bike advantage as others were on them) What I mean is it was a bike that allowed him to immediately ride to the best of his ability and show what he could do. Had he gone straight onto the Yamaha, which wasn't a bad bike itself then, but maybe not as good as the Honda (impossible to say) he may not have had the immediate results against others already on the Honda, and his career path could have been quite different. All ifs and buts and I don't mean anything by it other than it pays to be in the right place at the right time. Some very very good riders, or drivers, arrive at a team just at the wrong moment and never get the equipment that enables them to win - illustrated a few times in recent years in F1.

For Rossi's wins, he beat the best of the rest and you don't fluke that many. Obviously you need the equipment and he had it and made the most of it. I just feel it is a shame that he let himself down with what happened at Yamaha. Far better if he had welcomed Lorenzo into the team, dropped all the political stuff and said 'right, I now have the strongest team mate I've ever had, we both have the same bike and support, I shall be trying my hardest to beat him, may the best man win'. You get the impression that Stoner or Lorenzo wouldn't care who their team mate was, as long as the treatment was fair and equal.

In the last few years, the competition has been much stronger than before, it's not a situation he is used to and he must be spewing to get back towards the front.  I think even if the Ducati gets sorted he is going to have a hell of a job winning again - races or title.

But I wouldn't bet against it..

As regards 'fraud' I think the cries mainly relate to this development skills issue - if the success of the Yamaha (and Honda according to some) was solely down to him giving his feedback and development steer to engineers, what happened this year.

Milkybars...

"It was a good bike for one rider, but that rider was never going to win another World Championship on it."

Except Preziosi, JB & Rossi clearly thought it was, based on Stoner's performance on it (not Rossi's), a championship winning bike (it's widely documented)... & you're saying you know better than they did... doesn't say much for any of them does it... or you don't know what you're talking about... which is it to be?

PS... if you can respond without mentioning "milky panty brigade" it would be good... it creeps people out & reinforces the latter supposition.

So, does the fact that Rossi is reporting exactly the same problems as with the CF bike suggest that Preziosi's original CF design is not to blame and that there is an as yet unidentified problem with the geometry of the chassis dimensions? Not the chassis material/design?

all this suggests to me is that, there's nothing wrong with the CF as a material.

if the bike feels more or less the same CF or not, then its not CF.,I think its a problem with the geometry/ chassis design.

Ducati need to get the design working and competetive using aluminum first, the maybe if its good, replicate the dimensions and geometry into a frameless design (the opposite of what they are doing now), then if that frameless design using alloy is ok, last but not least, make it out of carbon fibre....and see what happens.

I'm wondering if Preziosi is also out to make a point. A new frame but everything else the same. No obvious immediate benefit (I know there is a long way to go and there could be many more incarnations of that frame) I'm just wondering if he has a point to prove and is sayiing look, new frame, all else the same, same results. Maybe my CF frameless concept isn't the problem, it is a fault with the layout / geometry?

As regards engine postion, he has always said that this was not an issue on the CF frame and that it was in the middle of the available adjustment parameters.

The current frame is as much a protoype 'mule' as the other factories at this stage, so no great surprise there. They will all evolve in their own ways. Honda have had two already and will have a third by Sepang

conclusion 2

please choose the option below

1.motoking for mcn editor

2.motoking to ducati 2012

3.keep embarassing himself with inane postings (not including 2012

4.emigrate to australia (unless he already lives there)

please feel free to post any other suggestions.