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Steve Farrell  says:

Hi-vis gear compulsory in France from next year

Motorcyclists in France face compulsory high visibility clothing from next year. The French government is pushing ahead with plans for compulsory hi-vis riding gear despite protests. From January 1 2013, riders of bikes over 125cc will have to wear a reflective item of clothing under the French version of the Highway Code. The reflective area must be on the upper body...

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telsmt

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telsmt says:

hivis

Why only bikes over 125? Doesn't it hurt if somone pulls out in front of you, if you only on a small bike?

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wally34

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wally34 says:

hi vis

what about a flashing headlight permanently wired on with free replacement bulbs provided for by government?

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Triplefun

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Triplefun says:

hi vis won't work - evidence

Hi vis does not work, read this article on 'Inattentive Blindness' citing research evidence:

http://www.visualexpert.com/Resources/inattentionalblindness.html

This proposed law is complete bollocks.

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andywhit

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andywhit says:

High-vis. Latest status in France

Status supplied by ShiteSgags Geordieland:
The French Gov has finally confirmed how it will implement new regulations for bikers regarding reflective clothing and number plates.
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As of 1st Jan 2013 it will be an offence, punishable through a fine and the loss of points, (in France you lose them, don't gain them) not to ... wear at least 150cm2 of reflective clothing between the waist and the shoulders and not to be using an enlarged number plate.

You may remember that this was first mooted as an accident reduction issue, but most accidents involve 125cc bikes and below, and these are exempt from the new rules.

Riders in France must already use their headlights all the time and carry reflective stickers on their helmets.

You may also remember that the French Government then said the regulations were to ensure other motorists could see if riders were lying in the middle of the road at night...

FFMC's Frederic Jeorge said "It will be considered almost as bad as driving without a helmet, even if you are wearing full leather armour, on a bike with the headlights on and knowing that our helmets already have 4 mandatory reflective stickers... Also, it will NOT include the mopeds and 125cc, where's the logic?"

A 68euros fine is set for every time you get pulled ower. Ganna be an expensive.

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slidersdown

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slidersdown says:

arm bands

someone in an earlier post mentioned reflective arm bands this seems to meet the required size and not to obtrusive.the rides at endurance events such as lemans and boldor 24 hours wear these so we would be wearing racer gear.:tongue: i think i still have a couple i picked of the lemans circuit after the 24 hours a few ago.i dont agree we should be forced to wear hi vis gear but if i could get away with this then it is not as bad as it could be,and my water proof oversuit has reflective strips already and it always rains when i ride in france.

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petexjr

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petexjr says:

French Bikers

Just saw this on another site.

•Compulsory hi-vis clothing in France for motorcyclists from 1
September 2011. This one’s kicked up a terrific stink in France with
riders, with an estimated 100,000 turning out in demos on Sunday 18
June, in numbers which paralysed cities and towns up and down the
country. According to reports, more than 15,000 bikers clogged up the
heart of the capital blocking the Periphique, Lyon (France’s second
largest city) saw more than 10,000 bikers, 7,000 demonstrated in Lille,
and Toulouse was totally blocked by 8,000 bikers. Smaller demonstrations
took place in dozens of other cities.

 

Doesn't seem to have worked but it confirms my previous post about anti French comments.

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Vexpert

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Vexpert says:

hi vis won't work - evidence

“Hi vis does not work, read this article on 'Inattentive Blindness' citing research evidence:
http://www.visualexpert.com/Resources/inattentionalblindness.html
This proposed law is complete bollocks.:

This misinterpret what I wrote. Hi vis does work and it works great. I spend a lot of time going out on streets and roads to take measurements. I wouldn’t even dream of doing it without my lime-green vest and hat. That would be insanity. While hi-vis clothing does not guarantee that a driver will see you, if greatly increases the probability. In fact, the new hi-vis clothing should be a great help in reducing accidents.  It isn't 100% effective, but nothing is. The cause factors in motorcycle accidents are complex and hi-vis clothing won't fix them all. But study after study has shown that lime yellow drastically increases both invisibility and conspicuity and decreases accidents. There simply is no doubt on this issue.

The arguments against adopting lime yellow clothing make no sense. The free choice argument is nonsense. It violate free choice to have road workers wear reflective clothing. It violates free choice to ban drivers using cell phones. It violates free choice for force tractors to have reflective tape. It violate frees choice to force drivers to wear seat belts. It violates free choice to have people stop at STOP signs and red traffic lights, etc, etc. The same free choice argument could be made against virtually every safety intervention. The simple reality is that safety is almost always inconvenient and increases costs.

You also can’t claim that it’s no ones else’s business whether you want to take the risk of being injured or killed by not wearing hi-vis clothing. Well, it is the business of other people. There is cost of the EMT’s, the medical bills, insurance claims, damage to other vehicles and, of course, the inevitable law suit. You want to pay your own medical bills, the police and EMT time, refuse insurance payments and give up the rights to filing any law suits, etc and then you might have an argument, except that there is the effect on your friends and family and other people involved in the accident. There are plenty of people who suffer if you are too stubborn to take sensible precautions.

Lastly, there comments that it’s the drivers’ fault. This is both irrelevant and untrue. If you get killed, who cares whose fault it is? Moreover, blaming drivers is a waste of time. Drivers seldom collide with motorcycles on purpose. Humans are wired up to see certain things in certain ways. It’s who we are. People have limitations and human nature is not going to change anytime soon. Instead of whining about drivers, you should focus on controlling what you can control and taking whatever steps you can. Improving visibility and conspicuity with lime yellow clothing is something you can do to increase your odds. The only thing hard to understand about hi-vis clothing is that it would require legislation to force people into self preservation.

 

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Kingsil

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Kingsil says:

@Vexpert

 Personally I don't want to live in a world of socialist control freakery run by anal-retentives. How about compulsory Hi-Viz on the ski slopes? The argument could be made but it wouldn't go down well with the affluent middle classes, or how about banning horses from the road, especially those ridden by children. Or how about busy-body politicians keeping their opportunistic noses out of our lives? Life is short and risky, enjoy it. Nothing lasts forever.

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manyears

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manyears says:

Hi Viz

Well i've been riding bikes on english & french roads for over 35 years & sure as hell ain't gonna feel any safer from the couldn't careless if i kill ya brigade loose on the streets these days by having a piece of reflective material stuck to my torso!!The only reason people slow down in their cars on motorways when they see reflective jackets is cos they think it may be the cops & they may get into trouble.And therein lies the moral,punish people adequately if they so much as scratch another human being and they will be deterred and ACTUALLY SEE THEM!!!Why is authority so frickin soft on the arseholes of this world????  

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cetdac

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cetdac says:

Apparently a high vis arm band will be enough? Definately sick of capitalist attitudes forcing us into paying the "man" just to ride!

Having said that the French bikers are a good bunch and have a good political voice which is why their government has said its "only" and arm band now.

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