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Matthew Birt  says:

MotoGP weight increase angers Honda and Yamaha

Honda and Yamaha have both condemned the late decision to increase the minimum weight limit for the new generation1000ccc MotoGP machines from 153kg to 157kg. Honda and Yamaha had both invested huge financial and human resources into developing their new 1000cc machinery believing the weight limit would be 153kg. But after a meeting of the Grand Prix Commission in December, it was...

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Ivebeenthehero

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Harsh but fair Nostrodamus. It does fly in the face of GP racing. Very strange decision.

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yzrm1

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yzrm1 says:

Ducati

this is now fairytale, we all know its because of ducati. for sure ducati wouldn't mind Yamaha and Honda to have 4kg less, because yamaha and honda don't mind the 200cc extra.

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Yamaha3358

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Yamaha3358 says:

''Factory team boss Vittoriano Guareschi told MCN: “This was a Dorna decision to decrease the cost but for Ducati it was easier to adapt the bike because when it was changed we only started building the bike.

"So for us it was easier to put 4kg in the machine. Sure for the Japanese they had their bikes done and for them it is not easy to put that weight on the machine.''

I've read in many other places that Ducati had their bike half built but knew they couldn't make the-then weight limit of 153kg and wallah, it got bumped up to 157...Coincidence?

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X2Glider

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X2Glider says:

Ducati's Problem

Just because Ducati doesn't have the engineering talent to hit 153 kgs doesn't mean the other factories should be punished with 157 kgs.  That's Ducati's problem only.  The minimum limit is just the minimum limit.  Where is the rule that states "all" bikes must be 153 kgs?  They can weigh what ever they want as long as they don't go under 153.  Sorry.  Ducati just needs to do a better job if they wanted 153.  Their inability to hit 153 is not the fault of Yamaha and Honda, nor is it Ducati's "god given right" to be at 153.  If they want 153, they have to earn it like the others did.  Another disappointing decision.

 

I can say as an engineer, 4 kgs can make a big difference in how a bike handles.  Not just 4 kgs dispersed throughout but if you're placing that 4 kgs in the form of a concentrated ballast because the extra weight is a design afterthought.  The teams have the right to be pissed.  Also, with 21 liters of fuel, any extra weight is a problem when you have to get it moving, corner after corner after corner.  It's also more stress and wear on tires and braking components.

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redracer46

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redracer46 says:

Bit Rich

Be a bit rich Honda complaining about another factory affecting rule changes when theyve been at it for years !!! Ducati are past masters of rule bending mind, you only have to look at WSBK to see how they get things changed to suit....

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

You're still missing the point

The majority of the design work for both Honda and Yamaha's 2012 GP effort were made before the implementation of this decision. The fact that Ducati's bike was still very much in the early stages of it's life obviously gave the Italian mark a distinct advantage ( at least on paper ) over the other factories. Despite this, they still were thoroughly humiliated in Malaysia - surely something else to give VR and his team more sleepless nights?

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blzebub

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blzebub says:

4 KGS

Thats nowt,  I bet John McGuinness wouldn't mind losing the 103 kg difference after wrestling that 260 kg Mugen around the island,  thats a proper bike is that jack

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hugelean

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hugelean says:

Hard to comment on what a load of moaning twats the two jap factories have become... I could understand if ducati didn't have it or the crts were already quick enough but do they really expect Dorna to make one change a year advised a year in advance till the get the new formula right?? It'd be 2050 before the racing was sorted.. Put up and shut up it's the same for all..

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fuzzrr

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fuzzrr says:

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Moral of the story. Wait until the rules come out before developing a finished bike....... Simples!

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Fuzz

You're joking right?

The bikes were designed and built over 12months ago to the rules as they were.

This was a rule change 2 months ago. Are you suggesting they should have waited until January 2012 for regs to be finalised before they start to design and build their new bikes for the February tests?

I agree with Wosi about the factories bleating about rules for sporting reasons as they all want things in their favour.

However, a 4kg increase is unlikely to be of any significant benefit to the CRT teams this year, it's very much a pilot season for them in terms of whether the idea is even viable. With the exception of the Aprilia, it is looking unlikely that any of the others will be on the same lap come race end this year. All it has done is increase costs to two factories who are having to rethink their designs which flies in the face of Espo's mantra of reducing costs. It is going to take more than replacing titanium fastners, fittings and spindles with steel to gain 4kg. Once done though, the affect of the extra weight on their race performance in relation to other teams is probably going to be negligible, unless Ducati can capitalise on it.

Ducati could easily have reduced the weight of their package. Just tell Rossi to take his wallet out of his leathers back pocket before he goes on track.

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