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Matthew Birt  says:

Factory Honda or Yamaha return unlikely for Valentino Rossi

Honda has joined Yamaha in distancing themselves from the possibility of signing Valentino Rossi in a shock deal for the 2013 MotoGP world championship.The Italian’s future is already the subject of intense speculation after his disappointing and frustrating start to the new 1000cc era in Qatar earlier this month.The 33-year-old struggled home in 10th place and expressed frustration after the...

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

CCB...

"...but at the end of 010 the honda was showing it had caught up with better race results."

Not quite as good as 3 wins & a podium... :blink: ... not sure where you're going with that one... the Ducati had miles better results at the end of 2010!... had it caught up too?

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ThePornstar

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ThePornstar says:

Musical chairs

 

Try this for 2013;

Repsol Honda

Stoner (who'd be dumb enough to sack him..?)

Lorenzo (gets on with Stoner and wants an equal bike..)

Yamaha works team (can't get a sponsor since Rossi left....)

Ben Spies (if he manages to get some wins...)

Rossi (The goose that laid the golden egg returns and brings Fiat back)

Ducati

Nicky Hayen (now number 1 rider)

Dovi (the next Italian to take the challenge..)

Tech 3 Yamaha

Cal Crutchlow

Bradley Smith

San Carlo Honda

Dani Pedrosa (saved again and on a works bike funded by Dorna)

Suzuki (back in the game with Kevin Schwantz as manager)

Alvaro Bautista (couldn't emulate the great Sic)

Aprilia (CRT works bike in disguise)

Max Biaggi (returning if he can win WSB again, just so he can torment Rossi...)

And hopefully Dorna can entice extries from the ever improving BMW and Kawasaki teams.

 

Remember where you saw it first folks......

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carcleanerboy

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Hedgey

Sorta guessed that one might becoming.  IMO and the problem with any opinion is they can never be proven.  IMO because stoner had the Honda ride sealed by midseason he wanted to finish at Ducati with a bang, and so approached the last 8 races with a win it or bin it mentality.

Lorenzo on the other hand had just bout sewn up the title and settled into a gathering points mode rather than a win races approach. When the title was secured he upped the pace and won the last two round in dominient style.

Up to that point stoner had a run of 7 races getting decent results but no where near the race winners. Once it was it was anounced he was leaving (last 8 races) 3 wins but 3 dnfs . a win it or bin it approach to me

Rossi even finished above him after missing 4 rounds with a smashed leg and coming back early.

Again its only my opinion but it wasnt that the Ducati got better, it was Stoner not caring worth he crashed or not. otherwise he may have end that season winnless

That is the one issue that fans the flames for the we hater Rossi brigade. No the Ducati has been falling behind the Honda and Yamaha for four years. look at Preziosi for answers not Rossi.

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carcleanerboy

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plus

I think you'l find that Pedrosa who was in great form til that point, broke in collarbone in four places in japan and didnt feature much in the last five rounds ,

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

CCB...

Right, but the it was exactly same opposition that you argued was showing Honda had caught up... you're arguing against yourself here. All the points raised are yours... I'm just saying they're flawed... your logic isn't sound.

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carcleanerboy

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i dont see how hedgey

I just think at times you want to argue over grammar,

Can you explain yes Casey started crashing at the end of 2010 when he'd being finishing every race up to that point but was nowhere nearly the leaders? DNF record equals win record for that period.

IF he hadnt dnf'd as much i may believe the bike was ok, but i dont.

The honda was flying in the hands of Pedrosa until his accident in Japan. ( and in the opinion of Nostro and the other supposedly knowledgable posters in here) the honda HAD caught up with Yamaha but the end of 2010

If theres one thing Rossi can be critizised over at the moment is maybe he could be pushing harder in a stoner style win or bin mode. But whats the point in that , Its ok for Barbera and co to do so,  because if they crash or no one thinks anything of it.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

What... CCB...

"The honda was flying in the hands of Pedrosa until his accident in Japan"

So it did get 3 wins & a podium :blink:

"I just think at times you want to argue over grammar,"

Where have I even suggested you have anything wrong with your grammar? You're trying to prove the same set of facts prove one thing for Ducati & the opposite for Honda... the same as you were arguing that Stoner's move was to a machine with an advantage but Rossi's move to Yamaha was all talent... you're overly biased to the point of contradiction.

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carcleanerboy

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hedgey

I think you'l find ive never claimed Rossi just won on pure talent, i quoted jamie in that being in the right place at the right when he moved to both Honda and Yamaha. Much the same as stoner when he moved to Ducati in 07 then honda in 11

Both of them have made good use of the great bikes given to them.

I just dispute the Ducati was a match for either The Yamaha or the honda in 2010 and believe the only reason Casey won those 3 races at the back end of the season was because he pushed it beyond what it was capable of, hence why he crashed out 3 times as well (win or bin)  if he had rode in the same manner as he was doing before signing the honda contract he would have finished all the races but not won any of them. He'd have most likely finished second in the championship too by being consistent and Rossis and pedrosas injuries

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Sorry CCB

Sorry... misread that part of your post. I stand corrected.

... but the Ducati was clearly a match for the Honda... it was matched against it every 2nd week through each summer & regularly beat them in qualifying & racing... in 4 years it scored a win, a 2nd & 2 4ths within a race win of beating them which was well within their reach. Without the return of Stoner to Honda Ducati probably would have annihilated them in the 800 era.

"hence why he crashed out 3 times as well (win or bin)"

... & Hayden crashed twice... & I see all Honda's crashes were in the 2nd half of the season... hmmm... you guessed it... 2 for Dani, 3 for Dovi... pushing too hard?... hmmm... yet one's a pig & the other was being developed towards being a dream machine to give Stoner his advantage.

So we have both Ducati & Honda doing better in the 2nd half of the same season with exactly the same number of crashes... but they mean different things... of course they do... because otherwise it doesn't suit your argument.

:wacko:

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thestig08

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thestig08 says:

cant be bothered

To read all the postings,but He has pissed on his chips ,No rider is a winner without the right kit ,my hero Barry Sheene paid a very high price for taking on the factory teams, Roberts did a lot of spouting but stayed glued to yamaha,We know the outcome,would Barry of won more titles? for sure,Rossi has become a pain in the arse ,he was beaten by Jorge fair and square ,Stoner was fast on the Duke and now the Honda ,Rossi put his name and ability on the line and lost ,bye Valentino no way back ,ask Freddie or Kevin ,time stands still for no man

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