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Matthew Birt  says:

Factory Honda or Yamaha return unlikely for Valentino Rossi

Honda has joined Yamaha in distancing themselves from the possibility of signing Valentino Rossi in a shock deal for the 2013 MotoGP world championship.The Italian’s future is already the subject of intense speculation after his disappointing and frustrating start to the new 1000cc era in Qatar earlier this month.The 33-year-old struggled home in 10th place and expressed frustration after the...

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carcleanerboy

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simon simon

\this is the problem when the adults want to talk about the state the sport is in. Theres only four competitive rides out there at the moment, and something has to change and soon

None of the things ive had to say are to put stoner down , or in anyway undermine his achievements. If anything, im giving him credit for what he did achieve on the Ducati in his Four years there.

A huge issue with anything posted on these forums ,is that Fans of riders (either Stoner or Rossi) dont want to believe anything is, or ever was the fault or a weakness of their favorite rider or a bike they have ridden.

Theres too many people who post in here are jealous of everything Rossi has achieved ,and now for the first time in his career its not going well , they are trying their best to discredit him. Yes Rossi has had many advantages over the competition through his career ,but why? Because like stoner now ,he got the best rides BECAUSE he was the best out there. Therefore he DID have an advantage of being the BEST bike(along with his teamate) exactly THE SAME as stoner did last year.

Now the critizisim of Ducati is not about Stoner and what he achieved when he was there. Its about why the Moto GP project has fallen so far behind the development of Honda and Yamaha.

As people have taken get pleasure in pointing out Rossi and Burgess are not engineers (neither is Stoner by the way) so all the past credit given to him for turning the Yamaha into the bike is it was bullshit( fair enough) No but what they do have a great history of is getting the best out of the  equipment they are given, and being able to give good feedback to the respective engineers at both Honda and Yamaha ,to help them know what requires changing to improve the bike. (thus the engineers come up with the technical solutions.

Now when the bikes changed to 800 Ducati aced the field with a rocket of an engine and had the good fortune to be one of the few teams on Bridgestone tyres, which where gave them a big advantage over the rest of the field. Add to that signing (taking the chance on him) stoner, result a well earnt title.

But from there on in the rest of the field caught up, the japanese engineer improved their bikes year in, year out and left the Ducati behind. Stoner ran out of patience and moved on, because they didnt listen to him.

Rossi tempted by the Golden cheque ( and probably thinking the bike was better than it was because of stoners perfromance on it) took the chance of forming an italian dream team. ( total nightmare now)

But lets cut to the chase who is the no constant at ducati, the head engineer in charge of developing the bike from 2007 to present state? Yes you know the answer Preziosi.

Rossi (and stoner) have given their feed back to him to tell him the problems it has .its Peziosi's job to fix them not Rossi's (or stoners) their job is the feed back. stoner had enough and left . No Rossi has got pissed off and spoken out.

Anyway rant over, so carry on throwing shit in rossi's direction if it amuses you all. But the adult can see where the blame lies.

But for the three wins stoner achieved at the end of 2010 which gave the Rossi haters their ammunition, There would be no arguments . But again IMO and many other the three crashes show nothing had changed with the bike.

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drewzzr

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drewzzr says:

Rossi & Moto GP

Interesting comments everyone.

MOTO GP is supposed to be about cutting edge technology & development.

The riders who are physically and mentally able to get the most from the Bikes, will have a better chance of winning.

The laws of physics and deterioration of physical and mental fitness, the weight and the size of the riders plays a big part at this level. When you line up the riders in a line and assess their frames and physiques, you can make judgements as to who might win...  (The smaller guys).

The taller, beefier riders like Edwards, Spies, Rossi and RIP, Simoncelli were always having to ride tactically to overcome the extra weight and height...At the entry level of 125's weight and height made a big difference, but so did experience and a smooth, consistent riding style and the courage to keep it pinned....

The current paddock line up is mixed with former, small class GP riders, Super Bike riders, all with their own school of thought and riding style.

These changes will continue to evolve as we move further away from the old school, 2 stroke days and onward to ever more rule changes and technology benchmarks and restrictions which bring in new levels of experience and riding style. 

Rossi is a popular rider, but his sour grapes rhetoric at Doha,  will eventually damage his fan base as new fans follow their heroes up from the lower classes.  Vale has won 9 championships. It would be tremendous if he won another, but his age & height are counting against him as much as the Bike.. He knows that...  Let him celebtrate his past achievments and promote the sport... Running Ducati down won't help them or him..

Stoner, Pedrosa & Lorenzo are "the Aliens" and that makes them dull to watch if they all get on the gas and clear off ahead of the pack in an orderly procession,  but that's what they are paid to do. Being "top of the class" puts them ahead of the rest of the pack and people mentally switch off.  Rossi has a following because of his charisma, on & off the track. The "Alien" class are precise, consistent and clinical, but also courageous, talented and above all, FAST! But in racing, speed is relative. We want to see battles, duals, nose to nose, tactical jousts for position... How the Racing governing body achieves this, is starting to take shape. They did it in Formula 1 and it's grabbed my attention. The CRT situation has been a starter for ten, but it's a bit of a George Osborne budget at the moment.... 

Meanwhile, I am plugged into TT, WSB & BSB for my "racing" enjoyment and read the up-tight, prima dona protestations of MOTO GP big money men with a tinge of sadness.   

Meanwhile, 

 Come on Crutchlow, show em how it's done!

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simoncbr1000rr

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yes interesting.....

funny about the huge speed,tyre,handling advantage etc etc for the duke......the nearest duke to stoner came in 7th position in the championship with 166 points,1 win and 4 podiums!!!!!.......stoner was 367 points,10 wins and 14 podiums......so if it was so advantaged why no other duke in sight???

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simoncbr1000rr

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between 2007 and 2011 the rcv took only 14 wins from  all other riders in that time....casey steps on the bike and bang 10 wins straight off the bat.....the king is dead,long live the king

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boro365

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boro365 says:

The King ain't dead

just got no clothes on,It's a different bike to last year the RCV even Pedrosa is better already this year testing and 1st race I'm a JL fan but want Rossi back as the best races were Rossi V Lorenzo (yes on the same bike) but good racing all the same and the odd one with Stoner wasn't bad. Hope it don't end up like Doohan processional

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bruce1937

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bruce1937 says:

Carcleanerboy

That is probably the most balanced and interesting post of yours that I have read. All good points and well articulated.

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CBR11X

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CBR11X says:

Factory Honda or Yamaha return unlikely for Valentino Rossi

No shit!

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BobLeDuc

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BobLeDuc says:

If only you punters actually had a clue

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hugelean

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hugelean says:

One of the top 2 will lose this year and if stoner sorts out his arm pump(unless the new tyres prove crap for the honda) he will win at a canter. That will be two years in a row where yam haven't won a single thing(best keyboard under 100£??) and have had no sponsor. Despite Jarvo calling the shots and being solely responsible for their fall from grace I suspect changes maybe enforced.. Neither manufacturer is going to piss off their riders after only one race by suggesting their factory career is already over.... never say never again..

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carcleanerboy

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hugelean

There can only be one winner each year mate, so yes one of the top two has to lose (maybe both)

Too much has been made of Stoners Dominance last year IMO , Yes he's in his prime and at the top of his game. But so is Lorenzo, each has had a dominant year due to having an edge in machinery over the other.

But this year with the changes in engine size etc it has levelled the field once more. My moneys on an even spread of wins across the top three riders and the one who stays healthy taking the title.

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