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SlowLearner

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SlowLearner says:

Worrying new surveillance development

Taking the new bike for a spin this weekend, I noticed construction of what appears to be some serious surveillance equipment along much of the A465 (the famous "Heads of the Valleys") road in south Wales.

Quite a number of yellow tubular projections were underway, the type that looks like the 'average speed' monitors, where you get a bunch of cameras across a long horizontal bar.

This is an extremely popular route for bikers, where we get the chance to open it up a bit, with decent hills, bends, and fairly reasonable road surface.   Seems like they want to put the mockers on it.

Spying on us with our own money never goes out of fashion in this country, not even in the 'age of austerity' when it comes to any other public service.  Wonder how widespread all this is, and if this open prison we call Great Britain is going to be a total surveillance state.

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  • Posted 2 years ago (07 May 2012 22:25)

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stevebaldy

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stevebaldy says:

yup,

that sounds like average speeds cameras for sure! :upset:

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  • Posted 2 years ago (07 May 2012 22:33)
dave_c

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dave_c says:

The good news

from a biker's point of view is that these things are forward facing, so they don't have to spoil the fun completely :winkie:

I do agree though, that it'd be better if they weren't there in the first place.

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  • Posted 2 years ago (07 May 2012 22:52)
Jeni4

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Jeni4 says:

Any

roadworks planned or are they just colour co-ordinating with the daffodils? :laugh: 

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  • Posted 2 years ago (07 May 2012 23:45)
SlowLearner

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SlowLearner says:

Forward facing...

I wondered about that too,  dave_c... there were plenty of cameras like that along the M50.  I wondered whether there was any point in slowing down for them tbh.

What ticks me off is the number of people - particularly the younger crowd (damned whipper-snappers!) - who can't leave their mobiles alone.  Young women are particularly bad for texting, young blokes for yaking on mobiles.

This weekend, on the motorway in particular, I noticed about one in 10 to 20 people using mobiles.  Weaving a bit - glance at the road, type a word or two.  Look at the road again, type another couple of words.  If I can spot so many offenders, why can't the police do the same?

Seems like The Powers That Be want to simply automate the fines, prosecute people for disobeying the law even though they are riding perfectly safely, and sack as many public servants as possible - even the filth that thought they were among the Chosen Few.
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Jeni:  Woolly thinking there, I'm afraid!

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  • Posted 2 years ago (08 May 2012 01:32)
vulcanrider

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vulcanrider says:

Easy money isn't it

and as for the bit on sacking as many public servants ? well, it's been going on for years, running the civil service down, cutting manpower to the point that it's ineffectual then privatising departments, pay peanuts you get monkies. I left the civil service nearly 3 years ago on good advice "go now Mr ******* because the money may not be there in 2 years" from what I'm hearing from former colleagues that's almost the situation now, those left in the public sector are demoralised & feeling let down by Cameron & Co.

Get used to Cameron raiding your pockets or do something about it, he's got no compassion & is out of touch but maybe he's never been in touch ?

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  • Posted 2 years ago (08 May 2012 07:47)
seniorspanner

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seniorspanner says:

Watch Out

Some of these average speed scameras work both ways; those on the A537 Cat & Fiddle and A54 are an example (if they're ever switched on) - simple to spot which is which - 2 sets of scameras on each bar for the eachway  variety!

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  • Posted 2 years ago (08 May 2012 09:13)
MakemRider

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MakemRider says:

Could they be Spec 3 Ave speed Cameras

If they are they form a network of up to 50 cameras and can be situated on a number of roads around the area so even if you only pass one on the A465 before leaving  you could pass one on a 'feeder' road.. The speed is averaged between ANY two of the cameras in the network.

This is how spec 3 has been explained to me.

Spec 1 could be defeated by changing lanes

PS they are digital so don't have the 'no film' downtime of earlier cameras.

Spec 2 stopped that but AFAIK only worked between sequential cameras on the same road.

Spec 3 networks were launched in 2009 & cameras can be up to 15 miles apart so they can cover a BIG area

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  • Posted 2 years ago (08 May 2012 17:30)

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