Skip to content

General just a quid General

You are in... Forums > General > General > just a quid

Got something to say?

Got something to say?

Go to most recent reply

babyrocket

Joined:

Aug 11

Posts: 3732

babyrocket says:

just a quid

If I had a pound for every time David Cameron said he was going to sort the countries problems out, I'd be rich enough to live under a Tory government.

Reply to this Topic  
  • Posted 3 years ago (08 May 2012 21:21)

Post a message in General

Fields marked with an asterisk * are required

   

Please note. You cannot submit more than 4000 characters as a message.

Upload image(s) from your computer (up to 3 images)

  1.  
  2.  
  3.  

Terms of use

Use of our community areas and forums is subject to important terms of use. By joining our community and using the features you agree to be bound by these terms. See terms of use below. 

Cancel
ANichol

Joined:

Aug 02

Posts: 987

ANichol says:

essentially, yes

if you want to be of the ruling class, you need to follow their path - Eaton, Oxbridge, City, party politics, Westminster (or be the donors for those that run). Want to go to Eaton? You can't. Unless a family member preceeded you, you can't go regardless of your wealth. Oxford and Cambridge hold spots for Eaton graduates. You can compete for one of the others, but mostly these go to the other elite schools from the UK and elsewhere. If you are very lucky, you'll be one of the three or four who don't have this background who get in. But, you'll never be part of the inner crowd, so (decent education aside) its no help in gaining access to the "path". If you're not one of the inner-circle, you won't get the top job (regardless of merit) and you'll never get a real say in what goes on.
People have all these wierd and wonderful theories about Illuminati and Knight's Templar and Masons, etc; the truth is less sinister and most obvious - its the guys you voted for. And there is nothing you can do about it

Reply to this Topic
James600zx

Joined:

Sep 07

Posts: 2754

James600zx says:

Coalitions?

I'd say the current UK coalition is pretty unsatisfactory. The Conservatives are pursuing an agenda which no majority voted for. Meanwhile the Liberals are riding the Tories' coat tails and doing nothing more because they're desperate to be in government. This leaves only one serious oposition party, flippin' Labour!

It's not working.

Reply to this Topic
JAWAPAWA

Joined:

Sep 10

Posts: 2239

JAWAPAWA says:

cameron

hes headed to the caymen isle and then demise...as long as he and his cronies are alright he dont give a shit...


and what happens when people protest over here??

they get hefty jail sentances, 

do you know id like anarchy here, id take my fucking chances rather than this slow death!

Reply to this Topic
honwal

Joined:

Feb 10

Posts: 1365

honwal says:

the ruling classes

look after there own kind, always will, thats why most of the bankers who cost lots of people money are still in there job,

they hide behind there education with words as hollow as a dijaridoo,

one of the reasons the interest rate wont go up is because they want more control over people by spending there savings, where as before they could live off some interest made, got to close to them with holidays etc,

and that brainey fucker mervyn king said he should have done something about the banks before it got to bad,

also some of these phoney wars make suits money,

no profit in peace

Reply to this Topic
James600zx

Joined:

Sep 07

Posts: 2754

James600zx says:

Ruling classes and Democracy.

I wonder if The Lords votes according to its conscience rather than party allegiance. The Common's urge to "reform the Lords" may be because that House has the power to reject the dictats of The Commons.

Reply to this Topic
JAWAPAWA

Joined:

Sep 10

Posts: 2239

JAWAPAWA says:

profit

its possible to make a healthy profit without exploiting people...



Reply to this Topic
ANichol

Joined:

Aug 02

Posts: 987

ANichol says:

4 points raised

UK coalition doesn't work because we are not desgined for such a thing. LibDems seem to think that the public can somehow tell where they have had a leash on Tory proposals. At the very least they need to shout about this louder and stop worrying that they will upset the coalition like its some fragile entity that will collapse as soon as a mean word about the Tories is uttered. Tories are rubbishing the LDs and will gain at next election, even if only by LD 2010 voters staying home.

 

Lords reform. Using STV to elect means Lords have to compete against other parties and distinguish themsleves from other within the party. This does reduce vote whipping. The single 15yr term of office also effectively kills upperchamber vote whipping as parties cannot punish someone who can't run for re-election anyway.

But, Lords will remain a revising chamber only. They can't initiate law, they can't veto it. By the current Parliament Act, they can suggest amendments, or delay legislation for a year; but ultimately the vote whipped Commons gets its own way (ie: the PMs way). Example - foxhunting ban blocked by a year. Also, according to the Salisbury mandate, manifesto pledges must not be blocked or substantively altered by the Lords; whether the coalition "deal" counts as a "manifesto" is open to debate though.

 

Mobility and protest - Kettling?

 

Divide and conquor - when the facts don't help, alter the facts used. Public sector has no bottom level jobs - these were all privatised. So if you compare pay accross the two, you have to look at like for like; where public sector is worse paid. It does, however, have better vacations (ordianarily) and mostly the pensions are better (they mainly ain't the dream scenario pedaled by the Tories though).

Does the gov't propose elevating public pay to that of the private sector? No. Do they argue that private pensions should be raised to meet public ones? No. Do they argue for better vacations for private sector? No. Do they tell the private sector to be jealous of public pensions? Yes. Becuase this gets the workers at each others throats whilst the CEOs trot off with their guarenteed bonuses for the compnay they just ran into the gorund so they can sell it off for more personal gain.

Reply to this Topic

Compare Insurance

Save money by comparing quotes. It's quick and easy

Motorcycles for sale

 

It's only £13.99 to advertise your motorcycle on MCN

Sell your Motorcycle

Motorcycle pricing tool

New! Find used bike prices