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babyrocket

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babyrocket says:

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If I had a pound for every time David Cameron said he was going to sort the countries problems out, I'd be rich enough to live under a Tory government.

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zx12rbadassisnowzx6rbadass

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who should i vote for then

i mean its all bullshit really but we never seem to do nothing about it countries all over the world rise up when they are getting shafted not us though we just happy to plod along and keep paying through our arses for the miserable shitty country we live in,lets fix the economic drama by kickin all the imigrants out i swear just had another family of 30 moldovans or fudgin romanians move in down our street pushing prams full of scrap metal,well at least they aint filling them with babies that i and everyother hard working person would have to pay for grrrrrrrrr:doubt::mad::huh::upset::wacko:

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ANichol

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ANichol says:

no point in voting until we change the election system

most other countries have proportional representation. This is where each party recieve the %of MPs in line with their % of popular support (votes). To govern, 50%+1 MPs must agree a government. This will normally be a coalition. Voters are often aware of likely coalition unions and policy priorities.
In the UK, government can be won with 1/5 of popular support (see 2005 - 60% turnout, winning side got 33% of that 60% = 20% of total).
In PR systems, there is a point in voting for small parties (green, etc) becuase they may well be a coalition partner. In the UK there is no point in voting for anyone but the top two (soory, LibDems, but it is top 2; unless you replace Lab or Con as a top 2 its back to obscurity for you). To win, the top two need only outcompete each other, so they go for a bland "majority" viewpoint. They are now at the point where they argue over who had the idea, not what the idea should be.

As for immigrants. They have at best a minimum impact on the economy. Legal immigrants do jobs that the indiginous refused to do. Illegal immigrants often work in psuedo-slavery in sweattshops, etc, whose jobs only exist becuase the illegals are there.
The ruling class stay there by dividing and conquoring everyone else. Get them fighting about who can marry who. Get them fighting about public and private sector pensions. Get the dragging one another's pay to the bottom rather than dragging it up. Get them arguing about which group is to blame for what - this ethnic group causes crime, this social class is a burden, this religion is detrimental to society, this group want special treatment [rather than actually helping equality for all] so you must keep them down or they'll get an advantage over you, people from this background/homeland are the problem for the economy.
Its all bollox.
Get rid of the immigrants, and the economy will be the same. Blame the next group. Dispatch them, and nothing will change, blame the next group.
As soon as everyone at the bottom has an equal playing field, and the pathways of education and economic self-progress are opened up, the ruling class is vulnerable to overthrow. Thus, they'll never let that first step ever be achieved. Everytime a step is taken towards it, the next bullshit distraction issue takes over...

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zx12rbadassisnowzx6rbadass

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so

in easier terms we all f*cked then are we? Great!:blink:

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vulcanrider

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vulcanrider says:

Anichol

nail on the head !

Cameron doen't give a shit about illegal immigrants being here, all his 'in it together' is bullshit he'll not be retiring to live in Britain, he may have a residence in Britain but just like Blair he'll hardly be there so will not be affected by the problems that will beset Britain.

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ANichol

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ANichol says:

essentially, yes

if you want to be of the ruling class, you need to follow their path - Eaton, Oxbridge, City, party politics, Westminster (or be the donors for those that run). Want to go to Eaton? You can't. Unless a family member preceeded you, you can't go regardless of your wealth. Oxford and Cambridge hold spots for Eaton graduates. You can compete for one of the others, but mostly these go to the other elite schools from the UK and elsewhere. If you are very lucky, you'll be one of the three or four who don't have this background who get in. But, you'll never be part of the inner crowd, so (decent education aside) its no help in gaining access to the "path". If you're not one of the inner-circle, you won't get the top job (regardless of merit) and you'll never get a real say in what goes on.
People have all these wierd and wonderful theories about Illuminati and Knight's Templar and Masons, etc; the truth is less sinister and most obvious - its the guys you voted for. And there is nothing you can do about it

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James600zx

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James600zx says:

Coalitions?

I'd say the current UK coalition is pretty unsatisfactory. The Conservatives are pursuing an agenda which no majority voted for. Meanwhile the Liberals are riding the Tories' coat tails and doing nothing more because they're desperate to be in government. This leaves only one serious oposition party, flippin' Labour!

It's not working.

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JAWAPAWA

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JAWAPAWA says:

cameron

hes headed to the caymen isle and then demise...as long as he and his cronies are alright he dont give a shit...


and what happens when people protest over here??

they get hefty jail sentances, 

do you know id like anarchy here, id take my fucking chances rather than this slow death!

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honwal

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honwal says:

the ruling classes

look after there own kind, always will, thats why most of the bankers who cost lots of people money are still in there job,

they hide behind there education with words as hollow as a dijaridoo,

one of the reasons the interest rate wont go up is because they want more control over people by spending there savings, where as before they could live off some interest made, got to close to them with holidays etc,

and that brainey fucker mervyn king said he should have done something about the banks before it got to bad,

also some of these phoney wars make suits money,

no profit in peace

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James600zx

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James600zx says:

Ruling classes and Democracy.

I wonder if The Lords votes according to its conscience rather than party allegiance. The Common's urge to "reform the Lords" may be because that House has the power to reject the dictats of The Commons.

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JAWAPAWA

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JAWAPAWA says:

profit

its possible to make a healthy profit without exploiting people...



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