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philehidiot

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philehidiot says:

So how much am I going to lose

Anyone remember a while back I hit a pedestrian?


Well I did.

Well she's claiming against me with the following description of events:

"walking across main road, all vehicles stationary, client has not used the crossing and walked behind the stationary vehicles, as client was crossing the road a motorbike travelling in the cycle lane from the client's left has knocked the client off her feet, she has fallen a few feet away from the accident location. Third party admitted he shouldn't have been in the cycle lane. Police took statements at scene".

I have the following issues here:

All vehicles stationary - no (proof of poor observation). The lead vehicles were moving away as the lights had changed to green. I was planning to merge with moving traffic after brief filter. There was also a moving motorcycle (me) in first gear making a noise and cyclists around.

Crossed behind vehicles - no. There was a very long queue of traffic which she crossed through. She said someone had waved her across and she mentioned how the driver must have felt guilty.

Missed out that she had admitted she shouldn't have been there, hence my response.

She entered an active cycle lane without adequate observation - if she'd looked, she'd have stopped. Why didn't I see her? She was only about the same height as the cars and I couldn't see her coming.

Issues with "knocked off feet" - I saw her stumble as I swerved as much as was possible and I hit her left leg which is consistent with the injury. That shouldn't have knocked her off her feet and if I had, the bike wouldn't have carried on straight - it'd have been a mess. It was undamaged.

Road conditions - she has put "damp - unsure". It was dry with a couple of spits of rain. Effectively dry surface.

She crossed at an inappropriate place - 3 lanes to cross. Didn't employ adequate observation and didn't use crossing of which two were within a reasonable distance - in both directions so one should have been in the correct direction. She missed out that she was distracted as she was only concerned with handing her essay in on time.

Anyone have any opinion on this as to whether I'm looking at a fault accident which is going to screw my insurance? The copper seemed to think it was her fault for crossing there and not looking but left it to the insurance companies. He was not concerned about me being in the cycle lane and as he put it, I was "making progress".

EDITED for clarity.

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jaffa90

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jaffa90 says:

accident

Long story phil,Q, Are motorcycles (vehicles) aloud in this cycle lane where contact with a pedestrian was made?

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AdieR

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AdieR says:

Yeah

I remember reading the story somewhere a while back.

Have you got photos etc of the scene that you can put to insurers?

If the Police have statements / info, maybe it'd be worth trying to source it from them as evidence of what happened and putting that to ins as well.

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MarcusMarsh

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MarcusMarsh says:

phil

Sorry to hear of your dilema.  ACIC will be along to offer some proper advice I am sure.  However, as I understand things, she can only claim for her losses and injuries.  On the basis that these seem to be minor from your description I don't think the payout is going to be substantial.  She's probably got hold of a no-win no-fee ambulance chaser and is having a go just to see what she can get. 

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Cyclonite

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Cyclonite says:

cycle lane

So its a cycle lane and she didn't look for cyclists? if she had been looking then she'd have noticed you. if she crossed away from the crossing between cars then She'll have a hard time proving its your fault.

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philehidiot

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philehidiot says:

I love this country

you can cross a road without looking and sue when you get knocked over.


The stupid prevail.

If she loses I'm tempted to sue her for the pain I was in and the damage to the bike. Problem is that I'm not a bastard.

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MakemRider

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MakemRider says:

I remember commenting on this before.

Your reply to should point out all the things you have said that contridicts her 'new' version. Add that 'as stated in your description of events' that client did not use the crossing' and if you can give them the extra distance she needed to walk to cross in a safe, approved place.

Also add that the cyclists in that lane could have been riding at up to 30mph and would not have made any noise, your speed was lower & your bike is noisey in comparison.

Point out that the police did take statements & they have no problems with you using the cycle lane to filter.

She must have told you 'that she was distracted as she was only concerned with handing her essay in on time' otherwise how would you know that, point that out as well.

100% her fault especially as there were crossings available.

PS, I advise you to put in a counter claim. Now you can (legitimately) add to your reply that you have been advised to counter claim and you are considering doing so.

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philehidiot

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philehidiot says:

I will

be fighting this and will urge them to take it to court if required. I don't know if I can change solicitors as they're suing my insurance company.


She's only 20 and really putting in a counter claim would be just purely revenge and should I win all that would happen would be that I'd skint a student even further and cause her unnecessary stress. She got a broken leg. I got a couple of days of extra pain from a pre-existing injury and another scrape on a mirror. I would consider doing so had I endured significant injury or losses.

What's annoying me is that I've been totally honest and she's twisting things. I hate it when that happens as I always lose out as a result.

If ACIC has any advice on switching legal representation to someone who'll take this seriously then I'd love to hear it.

Jaffa - just seen your comment. The answer is no. It is against the law (RTRA sections 5 and 8). It's a minor offence and the cops knew this and took no action.

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scorps

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scorps says:

well

Id counter sue, I get so pissed off with people who are too stupid to take responsibility for their own actions.

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BikerDefenceSolicitors

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Talk to a solicitor

This isn't my area of expertise so don't take what I say as gospel.  I believe you can change solicitors - she is not suing your insurance company, she is suing you.  Your insurance company just get to pick up the bill.  You will probably have to pay a new solicitor privately, but if you speak with a defendant personal injury solicitor I'm sure they'll explain.

I suspect you probably are at fault given you were filtering in a cycle lane, while you can enter cycle lanes that have a broken line if necessary you should not be filtering along one and that is likely to cause you some problems.  It sounds like you'll certainly have a defence that she was contributorily negligent.  A successful claim of contributory negligence will reduce, possibly significantly, the compensation payable to her.

Speak to a personal injury solicitor about making a counter claim.  If you are running a defence of contributory negligence then I suspect you would be told to counter claim against her.

Most importantly, speak to a solicitor sooner rather than later and get proper advice on this subject.  Like I said, although I am a solicitor, I do not handle personal injury work and you should not attempt to rely upon anything I have said (apart from the bit about seeing a solicitor who does know what he's talking about ASAP)

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ACIC

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ACIC says:

Accident with pedestrian

Hi - you will have a hard job convincing another solicitor to take this on for you as they will not get paid due to the value and the fact there is not a costs bearing injury (i.e you were not injured). However, you should get your insurer/solicitors to fight this, to court if need be.

 

Regards, Andrew Campbell, Solicitor www.BikeLawyer.co.uk

MCN Law columnist and MCN Legal Expert

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