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But the rich have been getting richer year on year for the last 30 years (since Thatcher).
Reading an article recently how the board of trade in the 50's told our manufacturers to export 70% of their goods to stave off this country going bankrupt.
Poor management, who lacked forsight to invest in new technology/designs militant unions (who took hold because of poor management) corrupt pooliticians, destroyed our manufacturing base.Non of whom will suffer, and as usual its the ordinary man in the street who'll pay for their deeds.
Putting millions out of work by outsourcing everything does not help our economy, yet even the Government pushes its suppliers to move offshore. eg Military kit now manufactured in China/Pakistan putting our own people out of work and on benefits, which the Goverment then attack people for being on the benefits they forced them onto.
Never worked, inherited wealth, public school Dinosaurs who have no grasp of the real world.

the propblem is

There are no real people in polotics.  All got history and economics degrees or former shop stewards on the left and the right are mostly the trust fund brigade.  I despise ed milliband for being a doncaster MP, what the hell does he even know about the area he grew up in notting hill and his dad was a marxist lecturer, and as for ed balls, he wrote for a paper about economics, big woop does that mean an MCN journalist can run ducati?  Same goes for the Con dems but at least cameron has worked for a company even if the school tie got him the job

MK:

Gotcha about the 'government has no money bit'. 

We don't differ in our views the way you think.  I don't believe the gov't would be better spending our money, but I do believe we should have a better chance than just happening to land in the 'lucky sperm club', born to education, health, connections, opportunities and all-round privilege.

The government should indeed be taking enough off us all, to ensure that all of us gets a good crack of the whip.  A decent education, that benefits society.   A right to health, a fair legal system, solid infrastructure, a defence force commensurate with a conceivable threat. 

If you don't, as you say, think government should be taking any of your money, then you ought to try imagining a country without the benefits of society.  Try it for a bit - Somalia would be a good option!

As you asked,  I'm working for a private company.  But that really is by the by.  If I'd worked in a government job, that doesn't mean I'd sucking off the public teat. 

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You added a note about the 1% - now they are the real scroungers.   Do you realise that they become the 0.2% (1% isn't really describing the truly undeserving rich) not by the sweat of their brow, but on the backs of others?   Does any billionaire have any genuine claim to those individually earned pounds?

Your mate Phillip Green pays no taxes.  Yet his stores are protected by our taxpayers funded police.  Our taxpayer funded fire departments make sure the buildings don't just burn to the ground.  Our taxpayer educated workforce allows TopShop to have staff who can run the place.

Our taxpayer funded roads allow the goods to get there.  Our taxpayer funded NHS pays for his workers to not die, get better and carry on working, should they get ill.

Don't you get the picture?   HE is the scrounger.  Not some public employee. 

Let that miserable bastard go off to Somalia and try the same - maybe you can meet up with him there, let us know how great is is where you pay no tax, and there is no society.

Take care mate.

The rich

by and large, pay a disproportional amout of tax, when compared to what they get from the government. They must do.

Someone has to pay for the unemployed. There's pleany of people who are employed, who get more than they pay in. Someone's paying for 'em.

Anyone not happy about someone getting rich on the backs of their labours, is free to quit. The workers choose to work for the rich guy. Good job the rich guy's there, or there wouldn't be a job, for someone to decide whether to quit from, or not.

I certainly wouldn't want my boss employing less people, and getting less rich, on the backs of 'em.

Equally, the rich are in competition with each other, for the services of us workers. They are also in competition with the dole. They can't just pay what they want. That's why the uncontrolled immigration's such a pisser.

The more workers to jobs, the less the jobs will pay, as workers undercut each other. With less workers, the bosses have to outbid each other.

You know far more about Mr Green than I do. I'm not worried about what he does with his companies, I'm just glad he employs people, so they can pay towards their own roads, health etc. He's employing them, not adopting them.

If he loads his companies with debt, that's his affair. If someone's willing to lend him the money, that's their affair. It should only bother us, if it goes tits up, and the government decides we've got to bail one or the other out.

Philip Green

And his ilk, pay minimum wage, so using tax payers to top up workers salaries to living wages, he is using us to subsidise his greed. He started out by importing cheap tat fron the Far East, which aids their economies not ours. Ditto M&S who put 10,000 people out of work here to outsource abroad, again helping other economies not ours (though the boardroom does very nicely as usual) or what about Alan Sugar, exploited his staff with temporary contracts so denying them any employment rights, whilst pocketing 770 million for himself. Short sighted greed.