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superbol

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superbol says:

So the police are not happy with cuts

Tough ! For years they`ve had it good .Many unfit people have joined the force ( oops sorry, service ) Its looked on as a good career with nice prospects and pension .The experiences I have had with the police have not been pleasant (most reguarding motoring of which  i have been the inocent party )Happy to use health n safety to stop them dealing with dangerous situations yet quite happy to "bully" petty fines out of good law abiding people ( take a lady to court for taking a sip of water at traffic lights , booking a man for blowing his nose in a traffic que )has`nt done their image very good has it ?Their pay has been good and now times are tough they dont like being in it together with the rest of us .So thats my feelings  its not ment to be contenious just live in the real world folks !

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Mankind

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Mankind says:

but norris

You can still but quality clothes. No one has to go to M & S. They choose to.

 

No-one with any sense would take out a mortgage, if their job was insecure. I’m not saying the situation is great. I’m saying, if the government makes it harder to fire people who’ve worked somewhere for 2 years, they also make it riskier to take people on for more than 2 years.

 

The company you describe got it wrong then. It went bust. That’s what capitalism is supposed to do, crap companies die, and are replaced with good companies. This one couldn’t get any decent staff, because this company was in competition with other companies. The staff went with their best option.

 

Some goods may be able to be made, and sold here at a profit. But if someone’s producing shoes for pennies, then whatever’s made here must be substantially better, or it’s not going to sell.

 

This is the reason our textile industry failed. The British public stopped buying British made clothes, in favour of cheaper clothes made abroad. This is not M & S’s fault. It’s not greedy businessmen’s fault. The fault lies with you and I. We chose to pay for something cheaper, to increase our own bottom line. Our short sighted greed, if anyone’s. M & S would much rather we bought more expensive items

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norris

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norris says:

Mankind

We have 'no' choice when nothing is manufactured here. It is greed when a company know's it can exploit people abroad (children in many cases) to make things for peanuts (and terrible quality) which makes a miniscule minority obscenely wealthy.

I think people have become so used to buying poor quality goods now, that they don't realise just what good quality is.

Many many company's now follow the regime of the company I described, the striking public sector workers have no idea about he tactics many private company's use. My last employers forced out over 200 staff (out of 220) with every nasty underhand method going so it could outsource.

Mypresent company has started the same sort of tactics to lower salaries, ie force long term staff out and employ people on lower salaries, meanwhile the boardroom members pers/salaries get ever better.
This is widespread in many business's and the reason the rich become more so.
It was recently reported how the top 100 bosses in this country had on average been awarded over 50% payrises in the last 12 months regardless of how well (or not) the company was doing, meanwhile many people are having cuts or pay freezes. Greed.

Greed

ETi

My last company used methods the eti is supposedly against, yet it advertises following the ETi base code..
That's the reality..Outsourcing is killing the west, for the benefit of the few.

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Mankind

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Mankind says:

But this

didn't happen overnight. I believe M & S were one of the last to stop stocking British clothes. They had to, to compete. They, and others, had to, because we the people chose to buy the cheaper clothes made elsewhere.

You can still buy British made clothes, you just can't buy 'em cheaply.

If in the beginning, companies who imported clothes were rejected by the British people, these companies would have failed. We'd still be buying British clothes.

The British didn't give a bollocks about the British textile industry.

They wanted the slavings passed onto them

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Mankind

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Mankind says:

I don’t see how

This fair deal business works either. Bit of Mankind logic, I could have it wrong, but I imagine it goes like this.

 

Company wants to buy some coffee. Company speaks to coffee producers for quotes. A £100, B £105, C £110 etc.

 

Company buys coffee from A @ £100.

 

Company then has a price structure – Coffee for the unconcerned £2, coffee for the concerned £2.10.

 

Company then goes back to producer A “Here’s £100 for the coffee, plus £10 charity from the concerned”

 

“Fantastic” says A. “Hang on fucking minute” says B “In that case my coffee’s £95. With my £10 charity, I can still make a profit”.

 

“Nice whilst it lasted says A. OK, my coffee is £90”

 

Producer A is now getting £100 (90 + 10), back to where he was. The concerned is still paying more than they need to. So who’s getting the £10 ? The company of course.

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norris

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norris says:

makind

They wanted the slavings passed onto them quote.. Ah, Freudian slip there:winkie:

Could debate this forever.. Regardless of why outsourcing took hold, the only winners are the tax avoiding wealthy. We'll be the one's who'll suffer (as we seeing with cuts and the reduction in living standards/job losses).
Haven't you noticed how the one's who stress the need to cut costs, never see any themselves?  Council leaders?
Even the Government has admitted, we need manufacturing.
Most Chinese/Indian/Pakistani/Vietnamese et al, goods are terrible quality, from clothing to electrical.
Amstrad?  Alan Sugars way to his 770 million and a knighthood. (funny how so many people who've actually damaged this country actually recieve knighthoods) but I wonder how many of our corrupt politicians have their fingers in these companys?

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Mankind

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Mankind says:

It was a joke

I borrowed from The Simpsons.

I'm not a fan outsourcing, but if UK companies don’t do it, the foreign companies will, and the British people will buy the foreign goods. Another thumbs up to my import duties, replacing income tax suggestion.

No one wants themselves to be cut, everyone feels they should be made a special case. That’s how this thread started.

The government knows we need manufacturing, but does nothing but get in the way, or let’s the EU. Or they bone headedly subsidise crap industries, which take more out of the coffers, than they put in, whilst competing for recourses, with our good companies. Where I work, everyone has to do a health and safety test lasting 4 hours. Imagine the cost of that, multiplied throughout the country. It’s like every company has to pay the workers half a day bank holiday, which the workers have to work on. The test is basically stating the obvious, and making sure people can tie their shoe laces. Ridiculous.

Imagine wanting to start a factory here. Is must be torture getting it passed. Imagine if it was a chemical factory, it just wouldn’t be worth the hassle.

Knighthoods are bought. That’s obvious. Makes the whole institution a farce.

Corrupt politicians ? You think ? Of course they are. The cost of running for election, surpasses the wages should you win the election. Of course it’s corrupt. Most politicians, certainly most of the successful one’s, are not prioritising us, and definitely don’t give a bollocks about the future.

Their main aim is to get elected. All other considerations are secondary. Actually, milking their time in office is a close secondary.

We need to try something different.

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norris

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norris says:

Mankind

We'll leave it there. I agree with a lot of what you say.
Ps..I am a special case, my therapist says so.:wink:

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Mankind

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Mankind says:

Thanks norris

That's makes almost one of you   :laugh:

And I agree that things are worse now, than they were when we werre kids, most of us have it pretty crappy, it's getting worse still, and things have to change, if the situation is to change.

'til next time, take care

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Mankind

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Mankind says:

Aaarrgh !!!

Just turned on the news. The NHS (you and I) is going to pay for lesbians to get artificially impregnated, and pay for surrogate mothers, and the same thing for gay couples.


So, cut back on the police 'cos we can't afford 'em, but pay for operation's for people, who don't want to have sex with the opposite gender. And presumably, pay for the kids after they're born in some cases.

Our lives are in the hands of lunatics.  

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Kamchat

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Kamchat says:

Bump

to restore threads

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