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Matthew Birt  says:

Cal Crutchlow: Casey Stoner’s retirement took b***s

British rider Cal Crutchlow reckons Casey Stoner’s shock decision to retire from MotoGP at the end of 2012 took ‘massive b***s’ from the reigning world champion. Stoner confirmed 2012 will be his last in MotoGP in Le Mans last week having decided to quit because of his disillusionment with constant rule changes and future plans to dumb down the adrenaline pumping...

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aquarius

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aquarius says:

LEGEND AS PR DROSS (1)

Poor, GTYC – yet another who doesn’t realise he’s been fed bovine dung ... apologies to Bob B for yet another “novel” - but truth has to be told ...
 

Max Biaggi did AOK on 2002’s YZR-M1 in 4 stroke’s first year. Max got 2 x 1sts, 4 x 2nds & 2 x 3rds (that’s an almost 50% Podium-getting strike rate. Add in other regular points-getting finishes - & how’s that for an allegedly crap bike?) - finishing 2nd overall to VR on the truly superb 5 cylinder HRC RC211V.
 

Two things stand out here –

1); patently, it obviously wasn’t that the Yamaha was a BAD or even an UNCOMPETITIVE bike prior to 2004 either – especially so - when Biaggi left for Honda – leaving no top-flight rider left to do the YZR-M1 any justice whatsoever in 2003. What so many forget - is that in the 2003 season there were no less than 8 x riders on the Honda RC211V – 4 x factory & 4 x Satellite. Sheer numbers & the depth of the Honda talent pool, as well as the quality of that bike, meant everyone else on whatever marque would struggle to make ANY impact... Barros got a 3rd @ Le Mans on the M1 but that was it – but he made many suggestions in developing it. So, the success of Rossi in 2004 wasn’t just the “alleged retina-burning, supernova- bright legend of rider & team development” or even Batman & Robin dynamic duo act come to “save” Yamaha. No doubt they helped get the bike the way VR wanted it & felt comfortable - but that was all.

2); the single biggest improvement to the YZR-M1 for 2004 - was the major change in engine firing order via the new “cross-plane” crank configuration - making it much more “responsive, predictable & rideable”. This was phased @ 270-180-90-180 degrees – a V4-mimicking “long bang” engine. Yamaha had also dropped the 5 valve head layout & went with the industry standard of 4 valves per cylinder - which performed “better” – despite a fortune spent in “street bike advertising & marketing” extolling the 5 valve system.

As well, a change in engine positioning allowed Yamaha “development” honcho’s, Koichi Tsuji & the newly-arrived technical boss, Masao Furusawa to concentrate on “engineering” & providing a terrific “package” to combat & compete with the dominant Honda RC211V. The fuelling had already been changed - from carburetors to the more “control systems-compatible” fuel injection too. This all helped tame the “engine-braking” & stability issues of the previous iteration
 

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

GTYC...

"I do know something...that Stoner doesn't. It's called perseverance. And VR is just an easy reference."

VR's been in GP racing for how many years now?... as a major player with the influence you're saying that brings he's seen it go slowly downhill to the stage it's at now... is that what perseverance gets you? How quickly do you think the current situation will take for the series to get back to where it was? This isn't Stoner's 2nd year... he's gained the title twice through nurturing his skill & perseverance over 12 years in GP & 10 years earlier when he started racing... that's over twice the time you've even been on a bike... but you know perseverance & Stoner doesn't.

You want to experience real perseverance then try reading to the bottom of, not one, but two of Aquarius's posts...

:biggrin:

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maazzz1

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maazzz1 says:

Well said Cal

It seems that Crutchlow is becoming the go to man in MotoGp for MCN. Becoming quite the oracle. So far I have to agree with most of what he has said. Becoming quite the oracle. Stoner the outright fastest and what he does on a bike is amazing, Valentino still one of the best going around and what Stoner has done takes balls…

What many also seem to forget, or may not even know is that at last post race press conference last year, Stoner was asked by an Italian journo what he thought about the new CRT rules and the regulations being muted by Dorna for 2012 and beyond. His response was more or less was that he thought it was a bad thing and he didn’t like it at all and that he would rather go and do something else if MotoGp went ahead. For him MotoGp was about prototypes, the best bikes with the best riders in the world and that if he wanted to race superbikes he would of gone there to race them…

Agree or disagree with the new CRT, the fact is that at the moment it is second rate compared to the prototypes. It is a very slow category within a category. Apart from De Puniet and Edwards who arguably could be retired or moving on to other racing, particularly the later, the guys riding out there are not even in the next tier of riders and no disrespect they are still talented, but they would be struggling to get a gig with good teams in superbike or moto2. Would a Luthi, Redding, Marquez, Iannone or even the top riders from WSBK jump on a CRT in their current state or even next year while they are up against the prototypes??? Not a chance!!! To be honest, if they do go to CRT rules and no longer prototypes, MotoGp will loose it’s advantage to the production series.

As for Stoner deserting a sinking ship, or moving on when the sport needs him most is a lot of tripe. He is doing what no other rider has the balls to do. Make a stand and say not for me but good luck to you. A while making that stand has said Dorna, you need to take responsibility for the big f’up. Going from 500 two strokes to 1000’s had a commercial sense, but then going down to 800’s to go back to 1000’s again makes none at all. Remember Kawasaki and Suzuki dropped out when the last two changes occurred. They weren’t prepared to sink all that extra investment in developing completely new prototypes.

And for f’sake if Dorna really wanted to control costs and make it a more even playing field then start introducing annual budget caps for both the racing and then the development side of things. With significant penalties for those that cheat. Try and keep the rules and regs as consistent as possible from season to season with no major changes to engine capacityor other major design and development requirements.

Other sports have implemented budget and salary caps effectively not only to control costs but also even the playing field. With a more even playing field, the likes of Suzuki and Kawasaki just might come back to the fray, and maybe even BMW and others would consider joining. But at the moment if you were BMW would you be looking at a prototype now that there is CRT being developed and the future of each is unclear. Probably not because there is no certainty and to be competitive at the top level at the moment you need huge budgets; there is not enough sponsorship and then not enough satellite teams around that can afford to lease the bikes at their current price given their development costs. Or then there is CRT. What would you prefer, what do you think all of the current riders and younger guys coming through would prefer?
 

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jollyboy

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jollyboy says:

"Stoner’s decision stunned the paddock" Really? So why were there rumours knocking around the paddock before hand. If there were rumours then I doubt the paddock was "stunned". Come on guys less tabloid language please.

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Smackbum

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Smackbum says:

PR free zone

That's what Casey is and like it or leave it ...... here is the ultimate example of what that means.

The #1 rider in the world is calling it quits because he hates the way the owners of MotoGP are taking the sport he loves.  Or should that be used to love.

Sure - he doesn't need the money or covet the attention, but it is still a big call.  I am a Casey fan but I have mixed feelings about this.  On the one hand it may make Dorna take a good look at themselves in the roomful of mirrors, which might lead to a better outcome for fans and competitors alike.  Unfortunately I am not so optimistic and fear that the series will continue its decline.

I think the suggestion of budget caps is a good one, as it will encourage participation and innovation which is what this series is supposed to be about.  We already have SBK for production machines so why on earth would you want to create a pale imitation of it?  If Cal is accurate and the other riders' agree with most of what Casey is saying, then are we guilty of being spectators of the MotoGP Hunger Games?

Ok - I am drawing a long bow here (I'll stop it now - promise) but we all seem to have been saying much the same thing.  So how about we give Dorna similar feedback - either sort this shit out or we we be taking our business elsewhere and you will be left with a dead goose.

 

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ThePornstar

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ThePornstar says:

"are these the wise words of a future World Champion?"

No they are the words of someone who has already won a world championship, and is currently beating the rider who finished 3rd in MotoGP last year on the same (if you don't count the brake upgrade) bke.

He is merely pointing out that Dorna's management of the series is not going in the direction that the best riders in the world would prefer.

Well done Cal, and respect to Casey for saying it like it is.

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motoking

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motoking says:

I LIKE THIS FUNNY GUY

this guy really really funny man. i cann't stop laugh when read his statement. and it's controversial one to another. just funny shit. first he said, he didn't want to say like stoner cause he need the job for next year (i cann't stop laugh like shit. this guy has balls more than hayden) and the next thing he said is, he agree with what stoner said. hello??? isn't it he already said something just the same like stoner??? LOL. this guy is very very funny. 10 thumbs up for him if i has 10!! LOL.

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motoking

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motoking says:

MCN SHOULD

post more of his comment. i'll read it for sure. LOL.

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jollyboy

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jollyboy says:

Some people seem to be missing a major point about Stoner's retirement here. It's only a really big deal for the series IF he wins the championship this year. In any sport everybody wants to beat the reigning champion. So if the reigning champ retires the sport really suffers. However if an ex champion retires, sure the sport suffers but not nearly as much.

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screamer69

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screamer69 says:

Stoner's got a MANGINA..

...Everyone knows that..

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