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Matthew Birt  says:

Nicky Hayden eager to evaluate Ducati upgrades in Catalunya

Nicky Hayden says he can’t wait to see if new technical upgrades to his Ducati GP12 machine will reap immediate rewards when practice starts for the Catalunya Grand Prix tomorrow (Friday). The American tested a revised engine, aluminium swingarm and electronics in Mugello last week as Ducati continues to try and reduce the deficit to Honda and Yamaha in dry conditions. One...

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nippiman

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nippiman says:

Can somebody explain to me how a bike with such ''vicious power delivery '' goes so well in the rain :(

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Eager?

... too right he is... top Ducati in FP1 only 0.4 off Stoner's pace... keep it up!

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Bob Buttamasangy

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Ask Zogg, if he don't know, he'll make it up!

Nippiman, good question, been asked a few times before. Never been answered because even Florences biggest fans know it's just another embarrasing contradiction of the Big F'd Up Italian Wedding.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Nippi...

I think it's that all the bikes need maximum power in the dry in order to be competitive with other bikes on maximum power... the Ducati's maximum power delivery isn't to the taste of Hayden or Rossi... in the wet all the bikes are throttled back, softened for the more slippery conditions, so the power delivery is less of a problem.

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Bob Buttamasangy

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Nice!

Hedgey, that's a nice way of saying Florence is a softcock.

I concur!

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Ocdcbr

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Ocdcbr says:

Alot is changed for the rain.

If u don't know that then u know nothing about bike racing. I'm no no it all like some if u seem to think u r but when it's wet all sorts of changes are made. Therefore a bike that performs well in the wet will not nececerilly do the same in the dry. No bobbbbbbbbbbbbbb

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racingfan99

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racingfan99 says:

Hey Bob after your suprisingly deluded rambling and conspiracy theories of yesterday I reckon you ain’t done yourself any favours at all. Any credibility went out the window I’m afraid after that one.
Of course Rossi is only a 9 time world champion because you turned down the many factory offers which your skills attracted and therefore you didn’t bother lining up against him. Isn’t that right mate?!
 

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Bultoboy says:

wet settings

None of the wet weather reasons seem to make sense as far as the Ducati is concerned

The problem with the power delivery, from what they've said, is coming off the throttle as that has been cited for pushing the bike wide in turns as it is too fierce (we can only imagine what it must be like...)  I can relate to that due to the difference cornering a 125cc 2-stroke MX bike on flat terrain (ie: no berms) compared to a 450 4-stroke. The 125 rails the turn easily as there is no power on small throttle openings, whereas the 450 has power right off tickover that comes in harder and this can push the bike wider in the turn.

If in the wet, Ducati can soften this abrupt power with the electronics to enable the bike to be ridden more easily and turn in with no problem, which it was obviously doing in Le Mans, then why can't they sort the power delivery out with the electronics in the dry? Why has it taken a new electronics package to achieve this which was only tested last week, therefore wasn't on the bike at Le Mans.

If the bike pushes wide in the dry because they can't damp the power delivery enough, it should be unrideable in the wet as you'd have to soften it much more than for the dry. The top end power doesn't play a part in cornering in either wet or dry.

None of it makes sense.

My money would be on the wet tyre compound suiting the Ducati more than the dry tyre compound.

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racingfan99

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racingfan99 says:

I agree with you Bulto – about the Duke in general. None of it makes sense!
Some of the best riders and engineers have worked and ridden the bike and the adjustments that work logically on other bikes just don’t seem to affect it in the same. It’s a mystery. Stoner was able to do better than anyone else on it no doubt but his time on it and with them now sounds just as frustrating, so god knows what the other Ducati riders thought.
 

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Bob Buttamasangy

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A lesson from Bob.

Stoner pulls the bike down to the curb and spins it up. Often mistaken by pinheads who see the telemetry trace and forget that the tyre is actually spinning and not popping on and off the TC. With the back end swinging out, the tyre is pushing the bike towards the apex and counteracting the centripital acceleration in much the same way a V8 sprintcar manages to get around an oval track so mind bendingly quick. Not always the quickest way around all types of corner but certainly keeps the engine in the meat of the power for better speed down the straight as witnessed by the difference in speeds of the ducs in the '07 season. Check his '06 speeds on the customer 990 as well! Interesting.

Clearly Flo hasn't got the spuds to try it and has said as much several times over the last 2 seasons. Unfortunate because it's not impossible to believe this could work on the current bike or why Stoner could win on it. It's already been softened several times and it's still too hard for the limp wristed Italian fk. Oh well, another couple million in the skip out the back of the Bolognese workshop!

Racingfan99, if you have any evidence to dispute my 'theories', then I'm happy to consider them. Being a Flossi tragic doesn't count. Broaden your mind and welcome reality my friend.

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