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Matthew Birt  says:

No seventh heaven for Valentino Rossi

Valentino Rossi got a stark reminder of how difficult it is to challenge for the podium on Ducati’s factory GP12 machine yesterday when he finished the Catalunya Grand Prix in seventh place. Rossi arrived in Barcelona on a high after claiming his career best Ducati result with second place in Le Mans last month in wet conditions. But it was back to...

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buelligan272

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buelligan272 says:

that's your theory bulto

but not the correct one.
Try to come up with something other than the tripe that's in your biased mind.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

How many bikes lost the front end on the 2011 front tyre. A lot. How many riders complained about the 2011 front tyre. Many.

How many front end losses this year - barely any (one maybe?). How many riders have complained about the current 2012 tyre. None

Did Rossi state after Qatar the bike was unrideable, couldn't be cured with set-up and was exactly the same as the last one. Did he then use Hayden's set-up and go quicker.

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PaceyCasey

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PaceyCasey says:

talk sense guys

A clear case of  'do as i say not as i do'.

 

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Firebird3

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Firebird3 says:

Haydens settings

The settings that Hayden was using were only the settings that were recommended by Ducati and were known settings to favour the GP12.  Rossi and Burgess were looking at settings that helped them with the Yamaha and until you try them, you don't know if they will work. Obviously they were getting nowhere going down that route and seeing that Hayden was getting good results from this base setting, decided to use the same. Ok, some frustration was shown by saying that the bike was unridable, but seeing that the Ducati is a completely different beast to the Yamaha lessons had to be learnt.

I think this was a corner turned by Rossi/Burgess and are beginning to understand the Ducati a bit better and each race they have slightly improved.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Firebird

Come on now, you have to be joking?

Rossi and Burgess have been with Ducati since November 2010 -  20 months - and you're saying they still don't understand it? It's a motorcycle, it has handlebars, an engine, wheels and suspension. You ride it, see how it behaves, change things with set-up to see if you can get it to ride how you want it to. If not, you feedback to engineers and say I'd like it to do this or that. They, hopefully, make whatever changes and off you go again.

What difference does it make if it is V4, in-line 4 or V5? I'd wager that if they didn't tell the rider what the engine configuration was, they'd never know.

Rossi had no problem going from a 500 2-stroke to a V5 4-stroke I recall. What experience did they have with V5 4-strokes? - none.

Then to Yamaha and an in-line 4. Again, no previous experience but no problem setting the bike up.

So why the problem at Ducati.

Tyres is a good bet (yes Benny, tyres again....) At Honda and Yamaha, they could have the tyres made to suit the bike. Now they can't and they are stuck because they can't set the bike up to suit the tyre. They aren't alone. And both the Honda and Yamaha at that time were very good bikes.

To say they were exploring all possible ways of setting the bike up like a Yamaha is being kind. They were directionless and lost. Ducati reacted at Jerez, following his Qatar outburst and told him to use Hayden's settings as once again, he was lost in practise and Hayden was up at the sharp end, proving that there is performance in the bike. He used the settings for the race and the improvement was apparent. He's been using them since (as a basis) To say they are Ducati default settings is being unkind to Hayden. He goes his own way with set-up and was doing a better job. You can't say that they were the known settings to favour the GP12 as it was only one race old at that point and in pre-season testing they were both down the lap charts (when times did actually mean something) Hayden found something that worked, Rossi couldn't. The corner that has been turned was the one they were told to follow Hayden around, not one they turned themselves. Events also suggest that this year's tyres may be suiting the bike better as well.

Why is there always a reluctance to accept that Rossi is not this perfect being that has the answer to everything. Very good rider yes, but just like the rest, entirely dependent upon being provided with a good bike on which to race. If he doesn't have one, he is as lost as anyone else would be in the mid-pack.

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Firebird3

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Firebird3 says:

Bulto

Yes I know 20 months is a long time, but they don't exactly have unlimited testing time do they. Also setup is so critical and you are talking about thousands of different permutations with different parts. If they could go ahead and test to their hearts content, then they would have solved it by now.

With the Haydens settings, it was an article that I read that said his settings were Ducati's teams favoured settings for that bike. It wasn't that I didn't want to give him any praise.

As you say, 500 2-stroke, V5 4-stroke, inline 4, why the problem with the Ducati. That is why they are getting so frustrated, it doesn't make any sense. If it is the tyres, why can't they build the bike to suit the tyres, instead of producing the right tyre to suit the bike.

If Rossi was on his own, you could accept that he might be struggling, but he is with Burgess and his team who have countless years of experience. This is more the reason why they can't accept that Rossi is not winning.

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asstoot

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asstoot says:

bulotboy

Dude, you obviously have the formula. Why not take up a job as a chief mechanic in moto gp? It`s a motorcycle ! Har har, no one`s told Burgess and Rossi? Get out.

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buelligan272

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buelligan272 says:

asstoot

bultoboy knows everthing about Moto GP.
Burgess is just an ordinary crew chief and Rossi does not have a clue what he is doing on the Ducati.

No point trying to tell bulto anything because his ideas and theories are always correct and the men at the top know nothing at all.
nostrodumbass is another know all that despises anything to do with Rossi.
They will get their comeuppance soon.

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buelligan272

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buelligan272 says:

oh yes and...

bulto if think a rider could not tell what configuration of engine he was riding you are dumber than I thought!

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