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Matthew Birt  says:

Ducati plan more tests on aluminium swingarm

Ducati’s aluminium swingarm project hasn’t been axed and Valentino Rossi could evaluate it again during a one-day test immediately after his home race at Mugello next month. Rossi liked the new aluminium swingarm when he tested it at Mugello recently, the 33-year-old gaining extra feeling on corner entry with his factory GP12 machine. Team-mate Nicky Hayden was less enthusiastic though after the...

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thejudge

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thejudge says:

dp ya fkn jokin?

nostro keep takin the tablets ffs, rossi may have lost his mojo,or maybe not,but fk me,you sayin rossi aint in the same class as danni pedrosa,what have i been watchin these past yrs dp is something rossi scraped of his boot every week! i forget how many moto gp titles dannis won,(oh yea none),rossi has seriously kicked his butt for years,the little spaniard  aint at his level, and hes had all the nice toys to ride for 6 yrs. how the fuk you come of with that rubbish,and expect to be taken seriously, you must be taking  huge amounts  of drugs and whiskey

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Judge Judy

Look forward, not back....

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chrisg011

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chrisg011 says:

CS and Duke - the dream team for Ducati, stuff of nightmares for CS = full blooded beast tamed by big aussie balls. Rossi - doesnt have the ability to adapt - end of. Dukes too much of a bike, or too much of a beast it doesnt matter - end result is abject failure.

Does Rossi need the perfect set up to make it work - on the Ducati yes (can he find that - no).
Can he make a bike like the Yam work for him, clearly he could and (probably) still can. Consistent podiums verses JL or CS - absolutely, he would nudge DP out most times. He would certainly perform better than BS or AD on the Yam.

My disgareement is that you insist the Duke is a better bike than its riders, but thats a baseless assumption as there is no other (current) benchmark rider and comparing back to the 2010/CS duke is irrelevant as the bike has changed so much.

It cannot be shown that the Duke is underutlised (not rubbish) in the same way it cannot be proven that the bike is better than the rider... its a mute point and becomes a circular argument. What we can see is that the combination of bike and rider doesnt work for VR, has only worked for CS in the 800 years, and for LC in the 990 years.

Unless you have a personal experience or we have the benchmark it is all speculation.
Funny as fuck, but speculation...

 

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supermario

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supermario says:

One trick pony?

Surely that MUST be stoner

Super stiff front Bridgestone = a modicum of success

No more stiff Bridgestone = no more casey

The perfect definition of one trick pony, surely

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chrisg011

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chrisg011 says:

Pony Rides

Judging on past performance, clearly not.

It would be Spies

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leemuz

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leemuz says:

Nostrto

 

I got ta give ya 10 out of 10 for your support of the moaning one, but why...oh why....do you constantly try and convince us that he is better than VR.

Ok we all conceed he got better results on the duke than rossi......But thats it....

It stops there....And don't give me this crap about CS only been around a short time.....

His self admission that he's 'been doing this for years now'...dispells that excuse.

But success has only become him in two whole seasons thus far...07 and 11.

And now he will join the 'won two titles, great rider club'

As opposed to the 9 titles and GOAT club.

Such a shame he is jacking it...he could have done so much more...............could'nt he..?????????

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

That's mere assumption Chris

Rossi's done very little in three years.  Since and including season 2010 Pedrosa's won 250% more races than Rossi and been on the podium 100% more of the time. Pedrosa is no longer the easy beat on the brakes he was in the years prior to 2010. Whilst he's certainly still an Alien (although that really needs to be proven again soon) he's also clearly Nr.3 in the pecking list. But I'm quite certain he has Rossi"s number regardless of the machinery Rossi is on.

The comparison with Stoners record is relevant because of the constant of Hayden. He did nothing then, just as he's doing now. How much more of a benchmark do you need than Hayden?

Look Rossi was the benchmark. Others had to up their game. They have. Rossi has stagnated or hit his  personal talent wall. No shame, everyone has their limitations. Rossi's have just been more starkly exposed than most. Live in the past if you must......

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Eh BB?

Where's this supposed contradiction? Please take a red blood cell count. I think you might have oxygen starvation issues.

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leemuz

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leemuz says:

honda

 

The thing is with the Honda......If your half a decent rider you will be up front on the Honda....

Even your Medioca labelled rider Hayden won on the damn thing....So it does help........

Hence rossi on the Honda.....Four full years of domination...........

Winning 10 or 11 races a season...

So to win on the Honda is easier...........Than say the Ducati......or the old Suzuki....And kawasaki when they were in.

Stoner's win on the 800cc Duke was special.......ish.............

Like we have established......Ducati had been developing the bike for that class for nearly three years and hit the ground running, and of course having the most easy to ride of frames (the trelles)....meant it was not putting people into the gravel as much.....

 

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vtwinmark

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vtwinmark says:

Much of Ducati's woes..

..have come from the miss-information from their no1 rider, pre sepang test he was praising Ducati for giving him a 'beautiful bike' that was gonna solve all of their probems...a couple of weeks later he was complaining of understeer, lack of front AND rear grip, and qualified the 'beautiful bike' as 10th (and last prototype) on the grid.. 


The aluminium swingarm 'works'....then oddly doesn't... All very stange, unhelpful data for any engineer to work from, especially from such a set up and development god.

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