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Matthew Birt  says:

Four flyaway races to kick off 2013 MotoGP campaign?

The European phase of the 2013 MotoGP world championship might not get underway until round five, with flyaway double headers in Qatar and India and then Argentina and Texas potentially kicking off next season. Dorna boss Carmelo Ezpeleta has confirmed to MCN that Qatar’s night race is likely to remain the traditional season opener, quickly followed by a first visit to...

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LouisVR46

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LouisVR46 says:

jollyboy

I guessed you missed "Having Qatar and India back-to-back and Argentina before heading straight to North America for Texas would drastically cut freight and travel costs for teams"? Think before you speak....

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vonich

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vonich says:

Jollyboy....Next time read the column first before you speak your mind. That way you will look smarter rather than dumber.

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X2Glider

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X2Glider says:

Nothing Wrong With Jolly's Post

He's quiote right.

Even by doing successive flights, the new locations are so far incredibly away from each other any savings that could be realized is gone.

I live in Houston, Texas, to fly to Cordoba starts at $1400 for the cheap seats and it's 20 hours plus 6 or 7 hours of driving.  The GP teams would need to add 4 more hours of driving to get to Austin plus loading and unloading into trucks.

The longest flight for the GP round would be India to Argentina, which is about 35 hours and starts at $2700 for a 2 stop cheap seat.  Imagine these costs for transporting all the team's paddocks and bikes.  Also imagine the fatigue of such a long flight, then having to perform come Friday, especially since once you're off the plane, you need to still get the stuff to the track, 6 or 7 hours away.  It's going to be grueling and expensive. 

I think it's great that there's new tracks to race.  I look forward to it.  But I've saying since the 800s came in that they're not doing anything to save money in the end.  The bikes are being dumbed down but that isn't offsetting the final cost of a season of racing.

 

 

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jollyboy

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jollyboy says:

Vonich and LouisVR46 you both need to actually think rather than just believe everything you read before you post. That way you'll not look quite so stupid when you start being needlessly agressive. India, Argentina and Texas are all new entries on the calendar for 2013. How exactly does adding these new venues "drastically cut freight and travel costs"? All it does is add enormously to freight and travel costs. If Dorna were at all concerned about costs they wouldn't have added these new venues. But then Dorna are not concerned about costs, what they are concerned about is revenues. And these new venues will add to that. Are we going to go back to the bad old days where the grids were much smaller for the south american rounds because so many teams just couldn't afford to go, only this time just so Dorna can make even more money out of our sport.

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1986vfr750

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1986vfr750 says:

nostro

Id actually like your input on this...but dont be a wanker..factual based opinion on this ...you have had excellent posts in the past, except for the ones where you get all beligerent and personal...this one requires a prof conversation. Ok rossi goes to honda...yes he can no longer beat lorenzo on same equipment..so dream team is rossi/marquez...pedrosa to factory yam...nice i know. That would make a fantastic 2013 season...i admit rossi has not been able to tame the ducati like casey, but that does not make him washed up. He still has race wins in him and a move to factory honda gives him a chance to fight. Casey has talent but no develipment skills...rossi has sponsership money and can help honda...you dont have to agree but please give opinion based on stata not derision...to show my honour i will actually apologize for my nasty comments if you will givw forthright and manly answer

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chrisg011

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chrisg011 says:

You assume

that the cost Dorna pay is the same as you or I.

They use "three Boeing 747 cargo aeroplanes (to) transport more than 250 tonnes of material" from event to event with sponsors who are specialist logistics partners. Thier cost base is something you and I dont have the full insight to however dont under estaimte the power of sponsors, nor the need to attend Argentina to promote the Repsol brand and YPF products (sic)
 

Introducing new locations can be seen as developing new audiences for the manufacturers and sponsors products. Hardly changing rules, more safeguarding futures.

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chrisg011

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chrisg011 says:

VFR

...your question is would it ever happen?

No - money talks but egos shout louder.
Too many ego's at play (and have been bruised in the past) for that scenario to playout.

In my humble opinion...

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CosherB

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CosherB says:

New Jersey MotoGP circuit?!  are you having a laugh?  it's a street circuit that the FIM would never allow on the calendar - wake up!!!

wosi has hit the nail on the head regarding Qatar.  i actually quite like the track, but the fact the meeting is held at night means that it has extraordinarily dubious environmental credentials, the fact that less than 10,000 people bother to turn up to watch (and i daresay a few of them are tourist types from outside the Emirate) are all irrelevant.  elbowz et al fail to realise that Qatar has the world's highest per capita GDP and consequently it funds the global air-freighting of MotoGP for the whole season.  when the sport is surviving through a finanicial meltdown that shows little sign of getting better any time soon, we should actually be hugely grateful for the Qatar round.

and isn't it time MotoGP went back to South America?  and also the sub-continent as it is one of the biggest biking economies on the planet, especially as it now has a belting F1-standard circuit?

 

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AdieMonk

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AdieMonk says:

If I'm honest, I don't really care where they race so long as the racing is good and close, and it's the spectacle it should be.  It's nice that we get a round in the UK but it's too bloody expensive, the weather is usually crap, and I'm not really a fan of Silverstone anyway.

 

Spain and Portugal having 5 rounds between them, almost 1/3 of the season, is just crazy though.  So from this point of view I'm happy they are expanding in to new countries and using new circuits and nabbing some of the Iberian races.

 

Dorna's money saving credentials aren't good.  Why fly from Europe to Laguna, then back to Brno, then back to Indy, then back to Europe.  Madness, except that if both US races were back to back how many tickets would be sold in total?  Would people go to both if they were only 3 weeks apart?  No, so split them up and sell more tickets, but that means flying there twice.

 

If it were me, I'd keep Qatar as I like the spectale of them racing under floodlights and bugger the environmental costs (we've all got energy saving bulbs at home which surely evens up 5 or 6 nights in the gulf with the spot lights on?).  Sack Indy from the calendar, sure the place has history but the track is dull dull dull (from my sofa anyway).  Oh, and bring back Hockenheim and get a race in at Monza.....

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CosherB

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CosherB says:

adie - i assume you're clamouring for the pre-2001 Hockenheim?  and Monza rather than Mugello?  no thanks!

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