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Matthew Birt  says:

Assen MotoGP: Cal Crutchlow reflects on lost podium chance

Cal Crutchlow found himself fighting his way through into the top six from the back of the field for the second MotoGP race in succession at the end of an eventful encounter in Assen. The 26-year-old was left contemplating what might have been after he was dropped to the back of the field at the first corner having swerved to avoid...

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TetsuoSama

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TetsuoSama says:

Keeping it real (again)

Sorry, Cal.  You didn't have the pace to finish on the podium today.

Besides a couple of laps at the end where he was biding his time behind Ben, Dovi was quicker ... usually by about half a second.

Here's the second half of the race, but the first half is less flattering for Cal.  He was battling with the Ducatis and also made a couple of mistakes.

Lap - Cal - Dovi

13 1'36.347 1'35.867
14 1'35.768 1'35.244
15 1'35.808 1'35.238
16 1'35.798 1'35.948
17 1'36.233 1'35.675
18 1'35.952 1'35.399
19 1'36.097 1'35.185
20 1'35.691 1'34.994
21 1'35.377 1'35.279
22 1'35.628 1'35.344
23 1'36.030 1'35.611
24 1'36.627 1'37.566
25 1'36.234 1'37.993
26 1'37.055 1'35.578

Edit: And just to add to that, Ben obviously had similar pace to Dovi.  Fifth is pretty much the best he could have done today and obviously worse if Lorenzo and Bautista were in it.  Maybe he should be thanking Alvaro (j/k)? ;-)

2nd Edit: Lap 15 was the lap that Cal overtook Hayden (again) to get to 5th spot.

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Warren569

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Warren569 says:

"There are lies, damn lies and bike racing statistics..."

TetsuoSama - you cannot simply draw opinions from what lap times each rider has through the race, as each rider has a different race if one is coming from the back (Cal) and one is up front following a rider with similar pace (Dovi).  We all know that if Cal had been up front with Spies and Dovi then he would have been in with a shout of taking his first podium, instead he had to come through the pack and probably used up a lot of his tyres, fuel and energy overtaking the field.

As Cal himself said, Dovi did a great job and deserved the result.  Looking forwards to next weekend as it should be close between all three of these riders!      

 

    

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Warren569

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Warren569 says:

"There are lies, damn lies and bike racing statistics..."

TetsuoSama - you cannot simply draw opinions from what lap times each rider has through the race, as each rider has a different race if one is coming from the back (Cal) and one is up front following a rider with similar pace (Dovi).  We all know that if Cal had been up front with Spies and Dovi then he would have been in with a shout of taking his first podium, instead he had to come through the pack and probably used up a lot of his tyres, fuel and energy overtaking the field.

As Cal himself said, Dovi did a great job and deserved the result.  Looking forwards to next weekend as it should be close between all three of these riders!      

 

    

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Warren569

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Warren569 says:

"There are lies, damn lies and bike racing statistics..."

TetsuoSama - you cannot simply draw opinions from what lap times each rider has through the race, as each rider has a different race if one is coming from the back (Cal) and one is up front following a rider with similar pace (Dovi).  We all know that if Cal had been up front with Spies and Dovi then he would have been in with a shout of taking his first podium, instead he had to come through the pack and probably used up a lot of his tyres, fuel and energy overtaking the field.

As Cal himself said, Dovi did a great job and deserved the result.  Looking forwards to next weekend as it should be close between all three of these riders!      

 

    

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thestig08

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thestig08 says:

tetsuospama

Your really showing your lack of knowledge and understanding of racing ,do you think that for one minute Cal didn't loseany time catching and re passing other riders, not to mention not having the pace/slipstream of the top riders to use,you really are to racing what thrush is to women

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Tet...

Could have saved you a lot of time there Tet... at the end of lap 1 Cal was less than 4 secs off Dovi... at the end of the race he was 11... but actually, until he got caught up with the Ducati's he was closing the gap to his team mate... we'll never know how many 1:34's he was capable of but which, on clear track, he achieved... during his efforts to pass the Dukes we saw him almost lose the bike which lost him over a second but he was back with them within a lap proving how much he was being held up... a second a lap from lap 4 or 5 to lap 15 did you say?... there's your 11 secs of which he only required 7 of course (11-4) & I believe Cal started a row in front of Dovi... shall we make that 6? By my maths that's 5 secs up the road from Dovi... & still assumes that he lost a second in that near crash that he wouldn't necessarily have had.

I know it's not that simple but you're trying to show with stats how he wouldn't have been up front... I'm showing that the stats can be read a different way.

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TetsuoSama

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TetsuoSama says:

Good lord

"do you think that for one minute Cal didn't loseany time catching and re passing other riders,"

Which is why I didn't include the first half of the race and made a note of the lap that Cal finally got clear to 5th, moron.  The truth is that he should have been past them earlier but made a couple of mistakes and had to do it again.

"not to mention not having the pace/slipstream of the top riders to use"

Okay, then.  Which laps were they?

Dovi was faster on the hards in the morning warmup than Cal was on softs.  The only other rider to have that pace on that compound was Jorge.

If it makes you feel any better, Cal's clearly not 100%. But pretending that he had the pace when the evidence is to the contrary  makes you both look stupid.  Get real, faggot.

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TetsuoSama

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TetsuoSama says:

@Hedgy

You're a decent bloke and you know I'm not taking the piss out of Cal.  He's the revelation of the year so far (with Bradl making a charge) and I like him.

To be honest, I never compared the first half of the race because Cal was caught up with CRT and Ducati traffic.

I really don't think he had the pace, but let's just agree that he needs to work on his overtaking and get that ankle right.

Edit: Here are laps 1-12 for completeness.  Pretty similar to the rest, really.

 1 1'44.426 1'40.634
 2 1'35.721 1'35.746
 3 1'35.154 1'35.257
 4 1'34.814 1'35.184
 5 1'35.425 1'35.354
 6 1'35.722 1'34.958
 7 1'35.810 1'34.816
 8 1'36.831 1'35.741
 9 1'35.211 1'35.653
10 1'36.052 1'35.863
11 1'36.121 1'35.825
12 1'35.997 1'35.897

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bruncvik

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bruncvik says:

More correctly...

Cal had the pace to be P4, because if the incident hadn't have happened Lorenzo would have rounded out the top 3. Little doubt however that Cal would have been in the scrap between Spies and Dovi, and since Spies' tyre gave up, it would probably have been between Dovi and Cal for 4th. Bautista robbed us of what could have been a damn good race sadly.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Tet...

Thanks but you didn't need to post those either 'cos while they may or may not support your argument it's as flawed as mine. Cal qualified better, did a faster race lap but rode a different race. A real shame because I believe he should have been up there... your stats don't prove otherwise. They do however show his 1:36.8 followed by a 1:35.2 when he had his moment... half a second quicker than Dovi's pace at that time in the high 1:35's... & Cal's 2 clear laps of 1:34.8 & 1:35.1.

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