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Matthew Birt  says:

Sachsenring MotoGP: Dutch disaster spurs on Jorge Lorenzo

Jorge Lorenzo is looking to bounce back quickly from his Dutch disaster in Assen last weekend with a strong performance to get his 2012 MotoGP title tilt back on course in Germany. Last Saturday’s Assen round turned into a nightmare for the Spaniard, who was taken out in a controversial first corner accident caused by Alvaro Bautista. Casey Stoner’s victory wiped out...

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princeofrepsol

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Parris

Please take down that ridiculously photoshopped Avatar.

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parris

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parris says:

Hey prince

Hey prince. Is the photo photo shopped? I initially thought and I posted that I wasn't sure if it was genuine or not.

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Rules smulez

If no other rider, team or manufacturer protest Lorenzo being given a replacement engine where is the problem? If they do (and let them be named, to protest anonymously would be slimey), O.K the rule sticks, tough luck Lorenzo.

If you want to fuck up the championship race by not letting pragmatism reign then as you were FIM /race direction / Dorna.

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parris

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parris says:

This is a really interesting question Nostril

What does everyone think. Should Lorenzo be given a new engine. 


My first feeling was no. It feels wrong to give and extra engine but thinking about it replacing the engine seems the right thing to do. Weird. 

Then I thought wow they are really tight with engines. His engine was brand new 200kms I believe. It was destroyed force majeur. It looked clearly to be the result of the collision that caused the engine to blow. Lorenzo already lost 20 or 25 points. Its a potentially championship changing thing. 

Having someone take you out in a race can't be helped or prevented and it will even out most times. 

Evening out the loss of a brand new engine can be helped and put balance back into the championship and is something that can actually be done. 

I am not really wanting a lottery deciding who wins the championship. That would suck and in practicality lay waste all the hard work, the riders, mechanics, manufacturers put into winning races each weekend. This is to say that, Yay great work and being the best all year racing but its come down to dumb luck. 

If anything they should delete one engine from Bautistas engine limit and add one to Lorenzos engine limit. lol. 

It is really tricky and I am not sure I am for replacing the engine. As I say it feels wrong to me to replace the engine for some reason I am not sure why it feels wrong but thinking at it it seems to make sense to replace it. It feels wrong to give and extra engine but thinking about it replacing the engine seems the right thing to do. Weird. 

 I am sure there are heaps of things I have considered here.

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A7X_916 says:

"controversial first corner accident"

How on earth was it controversial?!?!

Bautista arrived too fast, clearly lost his head for a moment and took out Jorge.  Rider mistake rightly penalised and nothing controversial about it.

Unless of course controversial has a new meaning.  Be like saying Andy Murray hates the English but what that actually means that he wants to be English.

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CBR11X

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CBR11X says:

I think it's only fair to give the guy another engine. It was practically new, and it was destroyed by no fault of his own. This is coming from a Stoner supporter.

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cyclehog

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cyclehog says:

Where to from here?

Solution for MotoGP Future
Move the MotoGP Series, with the current rules, to Endurance Racing. There are other endurance series that can help fill the weekend.
Make WSB, with the current rules, the top Series.
You can move Moto2 and CRT between WSB and WSS.
I think this makes sense for both the series' and the manufacturers.

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CBR11X

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CBR11X says:

FP1 Results

1 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 288.6 1'22.357
2 1 Casey STONER AUS Repsol Honda Team Honda 287.2 1'22.444 0.087 / 0.087
3 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 284.7 1'22.647 0.290 / 0.203
4 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 286.5 1'22.922 0.565 / 0.275
5 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 285.0 1'23.081 0.724 / 0.159
6 8 Hector BARBERA SPA Pramac Racing Team Ducati 285.6 1'23.091 0.734 / 0.010
7 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Ducati Team Ducati 283.6 1'23.092 0.735 / 0.001
8 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 287.0 1'23.203 0.846 / 0.111
9 6 Stefan BRADL GER LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 289.2 1'23.306 0.949 / 0.103
10 11 Ben SPIES USA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 284.4 1'23.353 0.996 / 0.047
11 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 282.2 1'23.481 1.124 / 0.128
12 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA Power Electronics Aspar ART 269.3 1'24.210 1.853 / 0.729
13 5 Colin EDWARDS USA NGM Mobile Forward Racing Suter 271.8 1'24.560 2.203 / 0.350
14 51 Michele PIRRO ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini FTR 270.7 1'24.659 2.302 / 0.099
15 68 Yonny HERNANDEZ COL Avintia Blusens BQR 266.3 1'24.786 2.429 / 0.127
16 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Power Electronics Aspar ART 268.1 1'24.855 2.498 / 0.069
17 22 Ivan SILVA SPA Avintia Blusens BQR 268.7 1'25.512 3.155 / 0.657
18 2 Franco BATTAINI ITA Cardion AB Motoracing Ducati 280.4 1'25.646 3.289 / 0.134
19 54 Mattia PASINI ITA Speed Master ART 263.2 1'25.839 3.482 / 0.193
20 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Came IodaRacing Project Ioda 256.7 1'25.958 3.601 / 0.119
21 77 James ELLISON GBR Paul Bird Motorsport ART 269.1 1'26.183 3.826 / 0.225

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YamahaGYTR

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YamahaGYTR says:

10th place FP1 hopefully its better in FP2.

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CBR11X

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CBR11X says:

A7X 916

I think some are alluding to the hypothesis that Bautista was given a mission by HRC to "take out" Lorenzo. A ridiculous scenario plagued with way too many variables to be accomplished successfully. He'd just as easily taken out Stoner. Obviously the guy had brain fade for a moment and over-cooked it on the brakes.

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