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Matthew Birt  says:

Sachsenring MotoGP: Dani Pedrosa victorious after late drama

Dani Pedrosa’s love affair with Germany’s Sachsenring track continued today after the Spaniard survived intense pressure from Repsol Honda team-mate Casey Stoner to win for the first time since last October. There was late drama in the 30-lap race as reigning world champion Stoner crashed out of second at the penultimate corner. But take nothing away from Pedrosa, who set the fastest...

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R6nutter6

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R6nutter6 says:

Had to laugh at that Ducati POS gang battling mid pack. Rossi finished about 28seconds behind the leader. GREAT PROGRESS. Sorry for Stoner falling off though and it was a shame Cal ran wide. Great ride from Dani though.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Ben is important to the American market

This line is often totted out by the pundits and on on the forums

Is it true? Does he really promote and increase the sale of Yamahas in the US? How many bike riders iin the US even know what Motogp is let alone care who rides what bike (ditto the rest of the world)

I've never seen or heard of any release from Yamaha that sales of their bikes went through the roof when Spies began riding their bikes in Motogp. If he doesn't get a ride next year, would there really be a negative impact on Yamaha sales in the US?

After promising improvements in Silverstone and Assen, both unfortunately thwarted by tyre problems, today was another poor showing (relatively) passed by both Tech3 bikes and not looking as though he could confidently go back past them. He should be between them and Lorenzo.

Nothing against him, but he's not doing himself any favours with that ride.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Dovi

Had 4 years on Honda, 3 on a Repsol and did nothing. He had his shot at a factory Motogp ride, does he deserve another?

Only one rider from a team can in the title. Yamaha have their man with Lorenzo. The other rider, whoever, is just required to rack up enough points to give them the team/manufacture title and get between Lorenzo and other riders.

If Yamaha feel Spies can do that, they will keep him from next year. If Dovi got the ride, he would do no more than that, he isn't going to beat Lorenzo.

Steady points scorer yes, winner, no.

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chrisg011

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chrisg011 says:

CC has his ride for next year

...what does Dovi have so far?

Well based on recent form he clearly does have the measure of both CC and BS.
He may not be wanted by Honda, and Ducati dont think he is man enough for the ride, but at least he has a chance of A team Yamaha or B team fall back.

CC's trip to the kittylitter showed a lack of finess in his riding, somethin that may stand him in good stead on his red steed next year.

 

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acanada46

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acanada46 says:

hedgy

 

Hayden 29 seconds off the pace... did you check how much faster Stoner was than Hayden on the same bike? 30 seconds might be pushing it (only a handfull of times) but it was frequently 15 secs which would have put him battling for 2nd with the championship leader.

If we use that as a guidline then rossi would be challenging for the title on a yamaha.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

CC's trip to the kittylitter showed a lack of finess in his riding, somethin that may stand him in good stead on his red steed next year

It showed he was at least trying to get past. There's barely anything between Crutchlow and Dovi, how hard must it be to pass in a situation like that.

Dovi went off all on his own at Silverstone remember, yet no mention of lack of finesse then

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

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Dovi is doing far better than either of the two above - fact?

Not really - Cal has finished on front of Dovi at races but behind the top three. Dovi finished in front of Cal these last two races but was moved up to a podium place today by Stoner going out and last week by Spies tyre falling apart.

It's just the circumstances of others that have put him on the podium twice. Same could have happened in the races Cal was 4th.

Dovi went off at Silverstone, therefore Cal has been more consistent. You can twist the argument any way to suit an agenda.

I think there is little between them.

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cthwaites

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cthwaites says:

@bultobo
Re questions on American market
Q. Is it true?
A. Yes

Q. Does he really promote and increase the sale of Yamahas in the US?
A. Yes, trade shows and dealer forums.

Q. How many bike riders in the US even know what Motogp is:
A. a lot. Laguna and Indy are well attended. The races are shown live on Speed with several repeats. It's also regional....CA alone is a huge market....35m people

Q. let alone care who rides what bike (ditto the rest of the world):
A. Rider posters in all dealers I know. Reps can sell well. Same with helmet reps

Q. I've never seen or heard of any release from Yamaha that sales of their bikes went through the roof when Spies began riding their bikes in Motogp.
A. You won't.Thats not how advertising works

Q. If he doesn't get a ride next year, would there really be a negative impact on Yamaha sales in the US?
A. Well it’s not good. Always nice to have a home rider on your machine

Q. After promising improvements in Silverstone and Assen, both unfortunately thwarted by tyre problems, today was another poor showing (relatively) passed by both Tech3 bikes and not looking as though he could confidently go back past them. He should be between them and Lorenzo. Nothing against him, but he's not doing himself any favours with that ride.
A. Agree

 

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

Don't write him off just yet

Up to today's race, Crutchlow has been in front of Dovi this season despite the latter's podiums. How is that doing "far better"? Cal made a silly mistake today, but up to that point it was anybody's race. Let's face it, Stoner made a mistake too and Benny, you can't seriously tell me Dovi is a better rider than him?

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chrisg011

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chrisg011 says:

Dovi

is keeping his shit together - and after 4 years in the premier class his time is due.
But wait, yamaha aren't clamouring for his services.
Honda kicked him out
Ducati doesnt see him on the radar

So Dovi has only one place to go, thats to be be the best no2 he can be in the squad that doesnt really care for him - he is one of three riders and the most unenigmatic of those.
 

Yep, CC took a trip to the kittylitter, he messed up.
Comentators descrive CC and a creative rider - one that was making up lines and opportunities anywhere and everywhere - which is what AD cannot do, and BS could only dream of.

What was clear is that CC was fatser than AD and held back too long, allowing AD's lack of pace to ensure the following group caught up

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