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souroush

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souroush says:

lifesaver

Perhaps this topic is a bit dull :winkie: and has been discussed on many occasions but I guess it always can help to check with people who have more experience.:smile


I am a bit confused about the lifesaver checks on roundabouts. I am not asking about indicating or glancing , just the lifesavers.

I guess there is no issue with going right on the roundabout as most people have the same idea of left on the approach and left on the exit.

But the views are divided on the left turns and straights on the roundabouts.

Left turn  on the R'about
on turning left some say you need to take a quick left LS on your approach and a proper left LS on before the  exit  . The other view says left LS on the approach and right LS on the exit as you have already in left and no hazards can come from your left.


Straight on the R'about

First view says you need to do a left LS before your exit to make sure no one trying to under-take from your left.
second view says you need to go for a right LS to make sure no one trying to beat you to the exit from your right


can someone please help a very confused rider :blink:
cheero:biggrin:


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AdieR

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AdieR says:

As you EXIT a

roundabout, the lifesaver is ALWAYS to the left.

As for the approach (getting in lane), then the general rule is the lifesaver in the direction you're moving: if your keeping to the left, then LH lifesaver, if you're moving across to the right, then a RH lifesaver for each change of position (you may need to make more than one LS if you're on a roundabout with multiple lanes).

The point of lifesavers is to ensure the space your moving into is clear by highlighting anything which might be hidden in your mirrors alone.

Final point with lifesavers: make sure you carry them out early enough to alter your plan if needs be; there's little point looking as you start to move the bike (at that point, if anything is wrong, you may not be able to get out of it).

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souroush

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souroush says:

Nice!

Thanks  :smile

great explanation , to the point and simple.

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arryace

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arryace says:

life saver or shoulder check

LIFESAVERS are what you do before turning right and pulling away this is a proper look over your shoulder as far up the road behind you as you can see.

SHOULDER CHECKS are what you do to check your blind spots dont get the two confused as you do not use lifesavers on roundabouts or when changing lanes

if you are exiting a roundabout where is the risk coming from?

if you are leaving the r/b straight ahead what is going to fit between you and the kerb (on your left)?

answer? nothing.

when exiting a R/B straight ahead could a vehicle pass to your offside and attempt to take the same exit?

answer? yes.

so where do you need to look?

to your right!!!

the simple rule is to check the empty tarmac there really is no sense in looking at the pavement.

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Amateurcynic

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Amateurcynic says:

Lifesavers

Are the final glance into the blind spot in the direction you intend to proceed i.e. if you're moving left you glance left, move right glance right, these are sometimes referred to (incorrectly) as shoulder checks hence the confusion

Arryace what you're calling a "lifesaver" is actually a "Rear Observation" which is done before you set off from the side of the road & involves turning your head around to assess the traffic speed/coditions behind you. Tend to discourage them on the move as some people tend to move the handlebars as they look!:wacko: 

The topic of lifesavers at roundabouts is subjective, generally the best way to assess which way to look is which direction your taking the bike, some of the roundabouts used on test routes (in my area) involve exiting into the r/h lane of the exit from the l/h lane of the roundabout, in this case the lifesaver is over the Right shoulder. As a general rule if you're moving the bike more than a couple of feet in a direction then it's a good idea to do a lifesaver in that direction about a second before you commit to moving. Try thinking of it as making sure noone is trying to sneak up behind you & put themselves into the space you're about to occupy.

Hope that helps, happy riding:smile

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Mead2012

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Mead2012 says:

Explanations

Nicely said, Adie!

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roadglue

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roadglue says:

wobble your head about

I know this is an old post but its one i came across before i took my mod 2 and people who are looking for info in the future will probably come across it too.

Like many i had a bee in my bonnett about lifesavers and rear obs.I was sure if i failed, it would be because of my obs.I was completely overthinking things.

In the end i decided i had to ride my natural ride and not try and guess what an examiner wanted to see.When you do that ,you do the obs that are needed and not ones that are just for show.It worked for me.

I was shocking on the brush up training session i'd booked before the test. I had been riding to try and please my instructor.But on my test i was fine.

You can always just look in mirrors a lot and wobble your head about.That sometimes works :)

 

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