Skip to content

Discuss This Mugello MotoGP: Valentino Rossi too slow on soft tyre MotoGP

You are in... Forums > Discuss This > MotoGP > Mugello MotoGP: Valentino Rossi too slow on soft tyre

This is a discussion topic

This discussion topic is linked to an article on this site. You can navigate to the article by clicking on the article name in the first post.

Go to most recent reply

Anonymous

Joined:

Posts:

Matthew Birt  says:

Mugello MotoGP: Valentino Rossi too slow on soft tyre

Valentino Rossi conceded he simply didn’t have the same pace as Ducati rivals Hector Barbera and Nicky Hayden on soft tyres after he slumped to a lowly 10th on the grid for his home race in Mugello. The 33-year-old set a best time of 1.48.502 but finished over 1.2s behind Dani Pedrosa’s pole position time. But what made Rossi’s fourth row start...

Reply to this Topic  
  • Posted 3 years ago (14 July 2012 19:01)

Post a message in MotoGP

Fields marked with an asterisk * are required

   

Please note. You cannot submit more than 4000 characters as a message.

Upload image(s) from your computer (up to 3 images)

  1.  
  2.  
  3.  

Terms of use

Use of our community areas and forums is subject to important terms of use. By joining our community and using the features you agree to be bound by these terms. See terms of use below. 

Cancel
ow01fogno1

Joined:

Apr 11

Posts: 1681

ow01fogno1 says:

to add

he has been slow compared to any other factory machine on any tire this season really.

Reply to this Topic
leemuz

Joined:

Jul 08

Posts: 1091

leemuz says:

re:hayden/barbera

2 PEDROSA Dani SPA 146 20 16 16 13 20 16 20 25
3 STONER Casey AUS 140 16 25 25 16 13 20 25 -
4 DOVIZIOSO Andrea ITA 92 11 11 13 9 16 - 16 16
5 CRUTCHLOW Cal GBR 85 13 13 11 8 11 10 11 8
6 ROSSI Valentino ITA 71 6 7 9 20 9 7 3 10
7 BAUTISTA Alvaro SPA 67 9 10 10 6 10 13 - 9
8 HAYDEN Nicky USA 65 10 8 5 10 7 9 10 6
9 BRADL Stefan GER 62 8 9 7 11 8 8 - 11
10 SPIES Ben USA 61 5 5 8 - 6 11 13 13
11 BARBERA Hector SPA 53 7 6 6 7 5 6 9 7

 

These are the stats that count...not ideal...but he's hardly in the shadow of NH and HB

 

But i do agree if VR stays at Ducati...his carerer is al but over...

He needs to get one of the Honda's on offer...Privateervteam..self run.

Reply to this Topic
acanada46

Joined:

Aug 11

Posts: 795

acanada46 says:

nostro

So this is what Rossi calls an extra special effort at home? Is that the sound of Audi erasing yet another zero from Rossi's contract?

rossi proves again qualifying on the front row is not as important as race results,mugging nicky yet again.

Reply to this Topic
jackinthebox

Joined:

Dec 11

Posts: 92

jackinthebox says:

bultoboy

Do you feel stupid now with your rant about one fast lap because you should.
If you knew anything about racing you would realise it is just as important to set your bike up for the race as was proved today.
Rossi showed just what a master he still is when it comes to racecraft and getting the best out of a bike through the whole race.
Having just read your last post it makes me laugh as the race just completely throws your pathetic theory out the window.
Try and come up with a better reason next time because you just make yourself look plain ignorant with your stupid rants.

[This Reply has been modified by the Author]

Reply to this Topic
Firebird3

Joined:

Nov 11

Posts: 792

Firebird3 says:

Setup

Rossi set the bike up to use hard tyres for the race, then when he used soft tyres he experienced chatter. To get rid of that chatter the whole bike setup would of have to be changed, which he didn't have time to do. All they can do is look at the difference in setup between him and Hayden and work out why Hayden wasn't getting so much chatter.

What is clear though, is that Rossi and his team set the bike up pretty good because in the race he was lapping quicker than Hayden and although he only qualified 10th, he managed to catch up with the  group, pass Hayden and finish 5th. Even more encouraging is that Rossi was only 11secs off the race winner. The Rossi haters must be pig sick.

Reply to this Topic
jackinthebox

Joined:

Dec 11

Posts: 92

jackinthebox says:

BB

You're entitled to your opinion of course, even if it is virging on bollocks.

My opnion was VIRGING on bollocks was it?

Seems your theory went up in smoke during the race.
ha ha what a plonker

Reply to this Topic
Bultoboy

Joined:

Apr 11

Posts: 3353

Bultoboy says:

Do I feel stupid Jack ?

No

Do you, with this bollocks?

Rossi showed just what a master he still is when it comes to racecraft and getting the best out of a bike through the whole race.

Positions 3 to 8 were running virually the same pace all race, give or take 2 or 3 tenths variance at different times. From lap 1, right up to the penultimate lap, the gap between Rossi and Hayden was between 2 and 3 seconds. The gap to Dovi / Bradl was generally around 5. He only closed in behind Hayden on the penultimate lap when Hayden came up behind Dovi/Bradl who had slowed, presumably whilst fighting each other. It was plainly visible on TV what was happening. Hayden made a great move on Bradl but Bradl got him straight back and pushed him wide. That's how Rossi passed Hayden - when he got pushed wide by Bradl

Yet you and Firebird ("although he only qualified 10th, he managed to catch up with the group, pass Hayden and finish 5th") fail to see the reality and pour on the accolades. He wasn't faster, they were running the same pace. He didn't set his bike up better than Hayden, they were running the same pace. He only caught and passed Hayden because of what happened with Hayden / Bradl, not because he was quicker.

Qualifying back in 10th gave him too much to do as with only the same pace as the others, there is little chance of moving forward. A genuine pass on Crutchlow, Spies continued ill-fortune, Barbera's lack of pace and Stoner's run-on moved him to 6th which is where he would have stayed but for Hayden's bad luck. He didn't have the pace to catch and pass, only maintain the gap

Now imagine, if he'd he had been able to do as good a job as Hayden or Barbera in qualifying and put his bike on the front row. Imagine if he'd launched that Ducati from 3rd on the grid and held it to the first corner. With his pace today and given the pace generally of riders in 3rd to 8th he could well have held any of them off  in 3rd or 4th throughout the race and genuinely been looking at a podium on merit today.

HAD HE QUALIFIED HIGHER  -  but hey, qualifying is of no significance. 

Acanada - rossi proves again qualifying on the front row is not as important as race results,mugging nicky yet again.

Not really true in reality is it?

Reply to this Topic
slit

Joined:

Mar 11

Posts: 214

slit says:

usual luck

just wanted to notice that VR's luck keeps enduring as it has since he started racing in the world championship 15 odd years ago. Today he mugged Hayden, and what not before. Usual luck he is first of the ducati in overall rankings. Poor casey instead, the usual bad luck, else he would be ahead of pedrosa in the rankings. Also if only the incompetent red missile had not taken casey out last year in the rain. And if crutchlow was supported by the sponsors, he would be probably battling for the championship, same for ben spies. If bradle had an official bike also. If if if if. Reality is, you need luck in life, but luck on its own does not make a champion. rossi, stoner and lorenzo are in a class of their own. period. And it's a real pity stoner (who will be remembered as one of the greatest) won't be around next year. And that's from someone who's always been a VR supporter.

Reply to this Topic
slit

Joined:

Mar 11

Posts: 214

slit says:

Bulto

from lap 2 to lap 12, VR and NH were going at roughly similar pace, give and take, with NH slightly faster (maybe .5 secs overall gain up to lap 12?). From lap 13 to lap 22 (penultimate lap), Vr was 48.5 solid, hayden 48.75. That means 2 to 2.5 seconds gained by VR over those 9 laps. Lap 22 was 48.5 VR, 48.6 NH i.e. if anything, on the penultimate lap NH was limiting Vr gain. Lap 23 was 48.8 VR, 50.2 NH, (i.e 1.5 secs difference) with VR havin a .6 advantage over NH at the finish line, hence NH effectively lost .9 secs on the very last lap. Can you explain to me how come you think Rossi only caught up in the very last lap? I'm not denying hayden has had bad luck, but, come on, shut up, it is true VR was solidly catching up from mid race on. I know if hayden hadn't been unlucky, VR would have been behind. I also know that IF VR hadn't had such a bad start he would have been fighting for podium. IF VR hadn't been unlucky to be slowed down by a momentary overtake from crutchlow, he would have been even faster.

Reply to this Topic
Bultoboy

Joined:

Apr 11

Posts: 3353

Bultoboy says:

What's to explain?

Lap 13 he was 3 seconds behind Hayden, lap 21 he was still 1 second behind. Lap 22 Hayden by now had caught back up to Bradl/Dovi who were slower, Rossi / Crutchlow get closer to Hayden. Final lap, Hayden had his tussle with Bradl and got pushed out which is when he did his 1:50, not because he was slow - how is that losing time to Rossi and holding him up. At no point did Rossi get close enough to Hayden to be held up.

Reply to this Topic

Compare Insurance

Save money by comparing quotes. It's quick and easy

Motorcycles for sale

 

It's only £13.99 to advertise your motorcycle on MCN

Sell your Motorcycle

Motorcycle pricing tool

New! Find used bike prices