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he has been slow compared to any other factory machine on any tire this season really.

nostro

So this is what Rossi calls an extra special effort at home? Is that the sound of Audi erasing yet another zero from Rossi's contract?

rossi proves again qualifying on the front row is not as important as race results,mugging nicky yet again.

Setup

Rossi set the bike up to use hard tyres for the race, then when he used soft tyres he experienced chatter. To get rid of that chatter the whole bike setup would of have to be changed, which he didn't have time to do. All they can do is look at the difference in setup between him and Hayden and work out why Hayden wasn't getting so much chatter.

What is clear though, is that Rossi and his team set the bike up pretty good because in the race he was lapping quicker than Hayden and although he only qualified 10th, he managed to catch up with the  group, pass Hayden and finish 5th. Even more encouraging is that Rossi was only 11secs off the race winner. The Rossi haters must be pig sick.

Do I feel stupid Jack ?

No

Do you, with this bollocks?

Rossi showed just what a master he still is when it comes to racecraft and getting the best out of a bike through the whole race.

Positions 3 to 8 were running virually the same pace all race, give or take 2 or 3 tenths variance at different times. From lap 1, right up to the penultimate lap, the gap between Rossi and Hayden was between 2 and 3 seconds. The gap to Dovi / Bradl was generally around 5. He only closed in behind Hayden on the penultimate lap when Hayden came up behind Dovi/Bradl who had slowed, presumably whilst fighting each other. It was plainly visible on TV what was happening. Hayden made a great move on Bradl but Bradl got him straight back and pushed him wide. That's how Rossi passed Hayden - when he got pushed wide by Bradl

Yet you and Firebird ("although he only qualified 10th, he managed to catch up with the group, pass Hayden and finish 5th") fail to see the reality and pour on the accolades. He wasn't faster, they were running the same pace. He didn't set his bike up better than Hayden, they were running the same pace. He only caught and passed Hayden because of what happened with Hayden / Bradl, not because he was quicker.

Qualifying back in 10th gave him too much to do as with only the same pace as the others, there is little chance of moving forward. A genuine pass on Crutchlow, Spies continued ill-fortune, Barbera's lack of pace and Stoner's run-on moved him to 6th which is where he would have stayed but for Hayden's bad luck. He didn't have the pace to catch and pass, only maintain the gap

Now imagine, if he'd he had been able to do as good a job as Hayden or Barbera in qualifying and put his bike on the front row. Imagine if he'd launched that Ducati from 3rd on the grid and held it to the first corner. With his pace today and given the pace generally of riders in 3rd to 8th he could well have held any of them off  in 3rd or 4th throughout the race and genuinely been looking at a podium on merit today.

HAD HE QUALIFIED HIGHER  -  but hey, qualifying is of no significance. 

Acanada - rossi proves again qualifying on the front row is not as important as race results,mugging nicky yet again.

Not really true in reality is it?

Bulto

from lap 2 to lap 12, VR and NH were going at roughly similar pace, give and take, with NH slightly faster (maybe .5 secs overall gain up to lap 12?). From lap 13 to lap 22 (penultimate lap), Vr was 48.5 solid, hayden 48.75. That means 2 to 2.5 seconds gained by VR over those 9 laps. Lap 22 was 48.5 VR, 48.6 NH i.e. if anything, on the penultimate lap NH was limiting Vr gain. Lap 23 was 48.8 VR, 50.2 NH, (i.e 1.5 secs difference) with VR havin a .6 advantage over NH at the finish line, hence NH effectively lost .9 secs on the very last lap. Can you explain to me how come you think Rossi only caught up in the very last lap? I'm not denying hayden has had bad luck, but, come on, shut up, it is true VR was solidly catching up from mid race on. I know if hayden hadn't been unlucky, VR would have been behind. I also know that IF VR hadn't had such a bad start he would have been fighting for podium. IF VR hadn't been unlucky to be slowed down by a momentary overtake from crutchlow, he would have been even faster.