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Matthew Birt  says:

US MotoGP: Casey Stoner equals Mike Hailwood’s victory tally

Casey Stoner equalled British legend Mike Hailwood’s tally of 37 MotoGP victories after he stormed to a second successive victory in the US Grand Prix at Laguna Seca yesterday. The Australian swept to his fourth win of the campaign after passing title rival Jorge Lorenzo’s factory Yamaha on the fast uphill approach to the first corner on lap 22. Stoner’s decision to...

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YamahaGYTR

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YamahaGYTR says:

Hilarious posts once again as usual like it :)

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

thanks wosihound

You would be surprised how lucid and insightful (into racing matters anyway) stoner can be in one on one interviews with people he trusts. His problem is public speaking, and in particular multiple rider press conferences where he never feels comfortable and has a tendency for stream of consciousness musings.

All during his 2007 championship run he constantly said to the local australian press that his success was beyond his wildest imaginings and his hope had been for 5th at best. 

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

2012 tyres

With all due reverence I have absolutely no problem with lorenzo and the others with a similar tyre preference having the tyre they prefer. Like nakomoto though I cannot see why bridgestone having developed 2 variants couldn't offer both to all riders. If ben spies and the ducati riders picked the current tyre it would seem likely they made the wrong choice which is what stoner said, rather than that they were not entitled to their choice.

I think the control tyre has been one of the larger recent negatives for the sport, particularly since it was supposedly a cost saving measure, but has proved very  much the opposite, requiring re-engineering of bikes by ducati and now honda, and imo contributing very significantly to the demise of suzuki and kawasaki. 

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

Like him or not..

..next year's championship will be less of a spectacle without him. The grid will soon be full of dullards like Dovi and Pedrosa constantly towing the party line...there'll be no one to heckle shortly - and then what the hell will we do?!!..

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supermario

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supermario says:

I disagree

VR competitive again, and duelling with Lorenzo and all the internal politics that will undoubtedly stir up. You're gonna have the Honda duo, neither are in a position to challenge for the title, but Pedrosa is a podium regular and occasional race winner, and I would expect Marquez to just get stronger with each race, which could start to make Pedrosa look a bit shakey with Repsol, so expect to see some fireworks there sooner or later. Bradl will be in his second year and I would expect to see podium finishes there too. I think we're gonna see a better race season than we've seen for a few years tbh

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wosihound says:

Blind spot.

By what measure do you deem the CF bike as proven progress Nostro?

Championship finishing position? Wins? Team position? Races finished?..or are you just talking enginerring solution. 

If we accept that the pipe frame had come to the end of it's useful development cycle and was limited by design going forward, yes..the CF bike was a progression but not in terms of results. It was never proved to be a championship contender nor did it achieve the success of the previous trellis D16 incarnation.

The bike won a few races in the mercurial hands of Stoner, sure..but most of them were at the end of the year not in the heat of battle building a championship winning run. Stoner finished 4th twice 2009/2010 and is on record as saying the bike was not competitive..before he changed his mind and thought it was and tried to make out he did leave Rossi a competitive bike, which is misguided horseshit that Stonerettes cling to with bulging white knuckles while wearing orange blinkers and matching tutu's.

Six rookies 2010, Rossi and Pedrosa out through injury and Casey can only manage 4th? Rossi 7th the following year? First and fourth most winning riders on the all time premier class list and you maintain there was fk all wrong with the bike?

Rossi's tenure there can in no way regarded as successful - other than to show it is the bike and provide a template for the future, maybe - but it's clear Prezel has run out of ideas and is reluctant/unable to deliver his part of the bargain either.

 

 

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

The failure of admission..

..by the majority of the Rossi fan club, that whatever way you cut it, the Ducati IS competitive in the right hands, and the apportion of blame to Valentino's subsequent failure being directed at Stoner is what gets the broad spectrum of race fans back up. We all agree the bike is a beast and is difficult to get set up, but VR's record since his arrival at the factory is indefensible. A few podium's here and there is a shocking return on a massive investment. Wosi, get a grip man - " a few races"!! - Stoner won 23 races during his tenure with Ducati, give the guy some credit..

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

He won 7 races in two years on the CF bike..5 of them at season's end when the title was done for him and he had nothing to lose while others were trying to secure the big prize..riding with one eye on the points.

He get's credit for what he achieved but it's not half the deal you make out pal.

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

Wosi, I appreciate..

..your comments were based on the CF frame. Look at the facts though; STONER 2008 - 13 races, 4 wins, 8 podiums. STONER 2009 - 17 races, 3 wins, 9 podiums. ROSSI - 2011 - 17 races 0 wins, 1 podium. ROSSI -2012 10 races 0 wins, 1 podium. You can't defend that kind of return.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Broken slipstream.

You mean 2009/10 I take it?

No..Rossi's results don't compare but you ignore the fact competition has moved on significantly. Last year there were 4 works HRC machines.

The first ten races of last year, Rossi rode the Ducati faster than Stoner most of the time.

The perfect example of how far Ducati had been left behind was at Qatar 2011..Rossi's debut.

2010 Rossi won the race on the M1.

On his first race for Ducati, he lapped as fast as he had done the year before on the Yamaha..but finished 7th.

 

I'm not suggesting Valentino did a better job than Casey in terms of results..but looking at the big picture, he didn't do as bad as some would have believe.

It seems he's lost his motivation to continue now..which is a shame, but hardly surprising.

 

 

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