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Matthew Birt  says:

Jerry Burgess: Aragon better test of Ducati progress

Ducati will be able to get a clearer understanding of whether recent chassis and swingarm improvements to its factory Desmosedici machine are a big step forward after this weekend’s Motorland Aragon MotoGP clash. Rossi scored his best ever dry race result with second at Misano earlier this month on a new chassis and swingarm package that delivered improved rear stability on...

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Ha ha...

So in Wosiland there have been no upgrades to the Ducati?... ok... so what are you saying Rossi's doing for Ducati?... his abject inability to "ride it like Stoner" was hailed as the reason for Ducati pulling out the stops but you're saying they haven't (despite the fact that he's tested several upgrades*)... he's 6th in the championship... he might get 5th but equally could slip back to 8th... wow!

I love this line - "because he didn't have the capability to really get to the bottom of it's handling woes" ... we'll see which rider it most suitably reflects.

 

* quote from Wosi - "The new swinging arm will hopefully add race pace to the new found consistency" - not an upgrade though.

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george shuttleworth

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Rossi is like Goldilocks .. It's all got to be just right to get the results.. Stoner's like Rambo.. Will get the job done with what he's got in front of him.

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buelligan272

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buelligan272 says:

Rambo?

Rambo was not a quitter.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Oh dear..

It's clear your bookwormish tendancies serve well when you're a slippery statitician and dragging up quotes but, they don't actually help you string it together to understand life in the racing world H5.

You're rambling again sonny..

What upgrades are you talking about daft lad?

wosi's regurgitated quote was from last week.. regards the after Misano race test?

What meaningful upgrades has Rossi had since the start of the season? Why do you think he's leaving?

You are a simple numpty, aren't you?

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Wosi...

"What meaningful upgrades has Rossi had since the start of the season?"

So you commented on something that you're now saying wasn't meaningful, in the process drawing hope from it... even for you isn't that just a bit weird?

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Bultoboy

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Too simplistic Bulto..

You seem to be forgetting the engine rule..six per year.

True, the practicalities of current rule restrictions make modifications to the CF frame design less than viable, then there's cost and time issues too, but purely as a concept, I wonder if their problems with that frame were just geometry and nothing to do with the stiffness red herring. The fact that the first two beam frames suffered the same problems suggests that the CF not providing feel may have been a blind alley after all. Would have been nice if they could have got it to work, purely on the basis that it was different from the rest, the very ethos of the prototype formula

If they built a CF bike with the right geometry, maybe then you'd see the real shortcomings of Preziosi's design in carbon.

It's no coincidence that every bike that races at world level runs a beam frame.

Not sure about that, yes they all use the alloy beam frame now but that doesn't mean the CF won't work. Once, the frames were all tubular steel. Only takes some clever bugger to work it out and off we go again on the next evolution of chassis development. For now though, the beam frame is the benchmark.

Looking forward to the race to see if they have made a genuine step forward. Wonder if Hayden will have the new stuff this weekend. Hopefully yes and hopefully his hand will not give him problems. Two bikes will give a better picture than one.

 

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ow01fogno1

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ow01fogno1 says:

OH DEAR

 we have heard the same CF convo a few time in the last year or so,more so when rossi did crash i may add, iyou have to laugh at the irony of it all, move for money and outragous claims by your chief mechanic,"its an easy fix"to a SECOND in a dry race with other fast cats missing out of it,it dont make the results recorded go away, and neither will riding the m1 next year that cal will beat him on.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Bulto...

MotoGP.com Hayden... "I’m looking forward to seeing how much better my hand will be than it was at Misano, and also to having the new chassis."

So yes it looks like he will be racing with one of Wosi's non-existent upgrades.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Yes Bulto..

It is a shame for the purist, that the present set of rules seem to preclude dabbling in anything other than the conventional if you want to be competitive. Personally though, close racing and the spectacle take priority over trying to re-invent the wheel for the sake of looking a smart arse..talking of which.

H5..I think you'll find a clue in Hayden's quote..the bit where he says new frame. This is September..the old frame, the first, was rolled out in February. 

I'd be obliged if you can point out the other extensive upgrades you mentioned earlier - unless of course you're just being a smug, contrary prick who is trying to disguise a complete lack of knowledge about racing - new stickers and playing cards pegged to the frame and runing in the spokes to make realistic "broom-broom" noises don't count.

Do you ride a motorbike?

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

May 2012 Catalunya...

"I'd be obliged if you can point out the other extensive upgrades you spoke of earlier"

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2012/May/may3112-hayden-eager-to-evaluate-ducati-upgrades/

"The American tested a revised engine, aluminium swingarm and electronics in Mugello last week as Ducati continues to try and reduce the deficit to Honda and Yamaha in dry conditions."

MotoGP.com July - "Laguna Seca will see the team use engine number four, which is expected to have some of the upgrades to combat certain issues"

OK... that was easy... frame, engine, electronics, swingarm... (swingarm revised in May, June & September as far as I can see, engine in May & July)... meaningless?... but you already knew about these... ongoing?... they tested the latest versions last week... that's not ongoing?

Perhaps they're not successful "because he didn't have the capability to really get to the bottom of it's handling woes"...?

:laugh:

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