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Matthew Birt  says:

Motegi MotoGP: Valentino Rossi doubts podium challenge

Valentino Rossi has cast serious doubt on his ability to challenge for a rare Ducati podium in Sunday’s Japanese Grand Prix, despite ending the first day of practice in a hugely promising fifth position. The 33-year-old slashed almost a second off his best time in the second session to clock a fastest lap of 1.46.687 that left him 0.599s behind Dani...

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Not quite Hedgey..

It was a point that wosi brought up because Stoner and his fans used the results in those last six races of 2010 as proof that the CF bike was competitive..as handed over. It was a winner.

It didn't factor in the crashes, that Casey was trying harder and Honda's final incarnation of the 800 moved the goalposts out of sight in 2011.

The point was..Rossi would be able to claim, with as much conviction, that the bike he left was an improvement considering the competition moved on like it has.

A CF framed bike, without Stoners talent and shit or bust attitude, would be nowhere against the current Jap crop.

The change in philosophy of design has taken too long for Valentino Rossi to claim success but, hopefully next years riders will be closer to the front and benefit.

Stoners time at Ducati was far from failure. It did however, go backwards in terms of success. That success was down to the riders efforts, not Preziosi's engineering know-how, and this is what Rossi's tenure has illustrated.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Again I agree...

... it was winning races... a bike capable of winning a competitive race is by definition not only competitive but successful... yep. The fact it was not ridden to a championship victory proves there was work to be done.

If Rossi wins one competitive race this year he will prove that he has achieved one of his goals... to turn the Ducati around into a race winning bike again (as it was when Stoner left)... you invented the 95 point comparison which I said was reasonable (even though it doesn't include the necessity for a win & includes 20 from what he's said was a fortunate advantage), but I'll take one competitive 25 on it any day. At the current rate though I think he'll be lucky to make 70 of that 95... 25 short & a long way off Stoner's lowest Ducati championship tally (which, to beat, he'd have to win every remaining race I think).

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Yes..but how much more work would there be left to do now if Ducati had gone ahead with their CF 1000 bike, as planned?

Without Rossi and Burgess and with Casey gone..where do you think they'd be?

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ow01fogno1

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ow01fogno1 says:

run run run

back to yamaha you pussy. but good luck all the same.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Strange question...

"Without Rossi and Burgess and with Casey gone..where do you think they'd be?"

... so just Hayden & a Hayden clone? Finishing 7th or 8th in the championship I guess... so pretty much where they are now. They finished 7th & 8th last year on CF bikes... Hayden finished 7th in 2010... this year it's 6th & 9th so far. Whatever... it's a strange question... it didn't happen... Rossi did... but it's not winning races... not even close... 2 years ago it was.

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BlackCountryBullock

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Unlike Crutchlow, there's no doubting Rossi's abilities - one of the all-time greats of the sport.

I'd put money on him finishing fifth (ahead of Bautista and Bradl) in the championship.

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Ivebeenthehero

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Rossi is the greatest - nine world championships and he just loves racing bikes - which is why he is still at the sharp end long after others would have retired in Monaco to casinos and drugs.

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Bootlegger

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Bootlegger says:

Without Rossi&Burges&Stoner

I 'll tell you where Ducati will be right now Wosi. Exactly where they are right now in GP. Where they belong. Unlike Kawasaki and Suzuki. Lose the Stoner ticket. Capirossi won eight or so races with the pipe frame desmo. I guess pmeumatic valve actuation is a currently accessible option on your road bike.

Rossi for the win then. Motegi 2012. Everyone and his dog knows the bloke is capable of carving his through 15th to first. GP history bears testimony to it.. Those were the days. The days of the twenty something genius competing against the thirty something hardly illustrious opposition.

 

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Bootlegger

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Bootlegger says:

Strange ramblings

Late braking king of block pass moaning about brakes.

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Firebird3

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Firebird3 says:

It's a waste of time taking any note of where Rossi is going to finish, as the bike earlier on in the season was no better than the CF. All that counts now is how the bike is doing after Preziosi got his ass kicked by Audi.

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