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Matthew Birt  says:

Motegi MotoGP: Seventh maximum potential, admits Valentino Rossi

Valentino Rossi says he could have not ridden any faster or put in any extra effort after he ended the Grand Prix of Japan at the Twin Ring Motegi in a lonely and distant seventh. The Italian said finishing a massive 26 seconds behind race winner Dani Pedrosa was the maximum potential his factory Ducati GP12 has, with a lack of...

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Respect our wee yellow Spanish Leprechaun

stems from the quality of one's posts. Yours are light on fact and heavy of hyperbole. Just the same as every other Rossi fanboy on here. Least not the Oompa Loompa in chief Wosideg - you only need to read the fictional tripe below to see that.

Where's the Burgess link Wosi? As far am I'm aware Bulto is right (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101889) and you're trying to bluff this one as is your wont.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Wosi...

"What you gonna do if he spanks Pedrosa on the RCV..the man who wasted your hero Stoner on the same bike?"

As I read it he's wasted Stoner 7 times (2 of which were with Stoner injured) to Stoner's 6 times so far this year... nice image but not much of a wasting is it?

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Bluff?..wosi?..never.

Nothing has been officially announced, there was talk of Yamaha coughing at the crews airfares/expenses but given Rossi's status and who he has as an Uncle..I don't think it's a major issue in reality.

This from the main protagonista.

"Valentino asked me to go to Yamaha with him and while I haven't yet spoken to Yamaha that is my intention." - Burgess.

"We spent seven years together with Jeremy and the technical crew. We haven't yet finalized that, we're going to have further discussions with Valentino, first we need to get the agreement with the rider done, then we can go for the plans with the crew and stuff. Until we fit everything I don't know. But I would say it's the garage crew, Jeremy and his squad." - Jarvis

http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-burgess-rossi-decision-no-brainer/

http://motomatters.com/interview/2012/08/23/lin_jarvis_on_rossi_s_return_what_it_mea.html

 

 

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Wosi old lad

No conspiracy, I really don't care one way or another if Burgess goes there or not. The quotes you've provided are old, before Rossi had signed. Burgess has spoken on it since and what he said was he hadn't been asked and if he was he have to think about it. He didn't say yes I'm going if they ask me. No conspiracy, just what he said. Means nothing until he decides.

Stoner preferred the CF9 and wanted it in 2008 after testing it - no argument. When he got it in 2009 they were on control tyres, not the tyres Ducati built the bike around and he tested it on. The control tyres hurt Ducati more than the others. Not hard to comprehend. Just like the new tyre earlier this year saw a reduction in Ducati front end wipeouts. Coincidence? - seeing as nothing changed on the bike.

Hayden may say it's the best Ducati he's ever ridden but there is no difference in his performance from the CF bike is there. He had the occassional result on that remember, just as he does now. They're lagging behind just as much now as they were in Stoner's time, yet you still blame on rider and not the other. Selective.

Explain to us why Dani is and was doing better than him, before he flicked himself into orbit, twisting his ankle, after such a dominant display last year that had you all creaming your orange panties?

Most of the stuff HRC brought this year has been left in the back of his race truck. Dani worked with it and got better.

A bit selective again here Wosi  -  The only thing Pedrosa took that Stoner didn't was the new chassis and Stoner beat him in the next race at Laguna with the 'old' frame, so not too concrete an argument you have there is it. Despite your wriggling with stats, they were pretty even in terms of speed up to Indy, something I've never disputed.

As for backwards results, it's reasonable to say (which means you'll disagree...) that the new tyres for 2012 messed up Honda more than Yamaha. Lorenzo is doing what he did last year and racking up consistent finishes. BOTH Honda riders have had chatter and Pedrosa had it again at Motegi with the new bike, so you can't blame Stoner for any input to that. Stoner got caught at Indy as they all do from time to time - Lorenzo last year in case you've forgotten - but for that it would still be a 3 way fight for wins and the title.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Eldiablo

You're taking a lot for granted with your reasons for Stoner retiring - as though you've interviewed him

You're entitled to your opinion but don't try and push it as fact - you've no basis for that.

I'll take you to task on the following though

Actually he is the best of all times because competition was always strong and please i don't want to hear anything about the demanding era of the 4 strokes. Fuck it. 2 strokes, 120kg and no traction. BIG BALLS.

Rossi had traction control on his 500 Honda before nayone else had it. Burgess himself has said so and was glad because he wanted to work with it but Doohan didn't want it. Rossi took it.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Not quite..

The quotes were after they announced the Yamaha move Bultoyboy, use what little common sense is available, please?

You've been outed as a cross-dressing #27er. 

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buelligan272

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buelligan272 says:

not quite right bulto

Rossi did not have any traction control in 2002 and for probably the same reason as Doohan never had it because it was not any help or had not been developed well enough.
When it was introduced Rossi was not the only rider to use it either so as usual you try to twist things to make Rossi look bad.
Any NSR was and always will be far more of a beast to ride than any modern 800 with or without traction control.

Oh and Burgess will be at Yamaha again.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Buel

Despite your warped way of looking at things I am not trying to make Rossi look bad.

It's simple. The guy said no traction control  -  Burgess said he had it and Burgess was happy because he wanted all the toys to play with - He didn't have them with Doohan because Doohan didn't want them.

Argue with Burgess not me. If Burgess spoke an untruth, I'm only repeating it.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Wosi

From your quote

We haven't yet finalized that, we're going to have further discussions with Valentino, first we need to get the agreement with the rider done,

"Not finalised with the rider" I took to be that he still hadn't actually signed. Whatever, the quote is way before Burgess was later asked if he was going. What he said is what I said and I haven't seen anything from him to the contrary - but as I said, it means nothing until the man himself confirms it, regardless of what his PA Buell will tell us.

I'll look better in orange than you will in yellow - with all that cider you won't need clothes...

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buelligan272

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buelligan272 says:

I am not arguing

The reason Doohan never had it was because it was not available at that time.If it was I am sure he would have had it as other riders did because it was an advantage.
The way you worded your post made out that Doohan did not want it but Rossi did and that was not the case!!!

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