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Matthew Birt  says:

Motegi MotoGP: Seventh maximum potential, admits Valentino Rossi

Valentino Rossi says he could have not ridden any faster or put in any extra effort after he ended the Grand Prix of Japan at the Twin Ring Motegi in a lonely and distant seventh. The Italian said finishing a massive 26 seconds behind race winner Dani Pedrosa was the maximum potential his factory Ducati GP12 has, with a lack of...

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

There's dumber..then there's Nostrodumbarse.

Burgess has said he intends to follow Rossi. Jarvis is expecting Jerry and the boys..there is nothing to be tight lipped about? 

Casey Stoner is a great rider but seems confused as to the reasons he's retiring. Some of his fans are hurt and could do with taking their own advice by tucking the flapping bottom lip in.

Just as the series is set to dumb down the bikes, giving riders back all the control, Stoner shies away from dumbing up his game and competing without the electronics that have served him so well. As a rider, he has relied on inheriting top level factory machinery to achieve the majority of his success in just two years..2007 & 2011.

He's been in MotoGP SEVEN years and 20 of his 37 wins came in those TWO years, when he had bikes handed to him that had fuck all to do with his development input.

He took Ducati down a dead end street after begging them for the carbon fibre bike and, as Dani has proved this year, he's done the same on his side of the garage with the RCV by refusing upgrades and taking an almost peverse pleasure trying to prove he can ride anything fast on pure talent alone.

His fans don't give a shit that he's crashed himself out of championship contention on a regular basis, it's all about the wins..innit?

Twenty out of Thirty-Seven in Two out of Seven!.. and Rossi's supposed to be the lucky one? Hahaha

If he'd never moved to Honda and stayed at Ducati..there would have been NO new shiny ally beam framed bike and he would have been sucking his food through a straw long ago.

Stoners Ducati is dead thank fk, long live Rossi's Ducati..which gives them hope going forward but only if the Germans sack the incumbent divvies in the design department, starting with Preziosi.

 

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rocketri17

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rocketri17 says:

WOSI

Well said.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Wosi...

"He's been in MotoGP SEVEN years and 20 of his 37 wins came in those TWO years, when he had bikes handed to him that had fuck all to do with his development input."

Rossi's had full input into this version of the Ducati... they've virtually built it to his spec (not)... how many wins?... & how long was Stoner battling with the same lack of development that Rossi is currently enjoying?... & how many wins? Yep... the figures speak for themselves... thanks for reminding us.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Boo-Hoo..

Rossi this, Rossi that, Rossi the other..Yawn!

What about Stoner's backward results and fucko brained development feedback, you orange ponce?

Why's he quitting citing dumb bikes and Carmelo's new rules when he's got the chance to show us all how good is without rider aids and it was his paymaster Honda who made the rules that fucked the job up?

He's a fruitcake.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Wosi

Get real you plank - what's this shite...

Stoners Ducati is dead thank fk, long live Rossi's Ducati..

For a start, you know too well that the CF bike wasn't born out of a direct request from Stoner

The new shiny framed bike that Rossi did ask for, is as far back in the results as the CF bike he was 'brought in to improve'. The messages he has sent out during the past two years are the very definition of confusion with contradiction following contradiction. The newish frame with new swingarm at the recent test was heralded as a huge improvement in rear grip and getting power down. Misano he got 2nd - the yellow canaries were tweeting Rossi's back, Rossi's fixed the Duke. Wiser people said let's wait and see. Sure enough, the next two races were a return to normal without the luxury of 2 full days set-up time. Now he's complaining of a lack of rear grip again. Seems to me he doesn't have the nouse to set the bike up in the time available on race weekends. Maybe the bike could hit the front with someone who could do that...

He reckons he can now maintain a constant pace to the end of the race with the new swingarm. Remember when he was forced to use Hayden's set-up early in the season - he actually put in quicker times towards the end of the race.

Fact is, they are no nearer the front than when he first sat on the CF bike back in 2010. Development god my arse.

Burgess last word on moving to Yamaha was that he hadn't decided or even thought about it and anyway 'no-one's asked me'.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Bulto..

Softlad..

When asked about the backward results on the CF bike, all Stoner ever says is.."You never rode the trellis frame." The pipe frame was like spaghetti according to him and he wanted a stiffer bike. Well he got what he wanted.

He BEGGED for the bike in 2008..to have it early. Why did he win 16 on the steel bike and only 7 on the CF Bulto?..Explain please.

Hayden is on record as saying he didn't agree with Stoner always wanting everything so rigid as it sacrificed feel. He also says the current iteration is the best Ducati he's ridden but it's clearly still not good enough, mainly because they have designed the new chassis around that old dinosaur of an engine. They can't get the basic geometry and balance in the Japanese ball-park.

Explain Furasawa's visit?

Both Hayden and Rossi know what a good bike feels like. Stoner didn't as he was an inexperienced young kid who spent his first season crashing his brains out on the 990 RCV..some things never change, eh?

He didn't have the nouse and rode around shit, something he prefers to do to this day instead of racking up testing mileage.

Explain to us why Dani is and was doing better than him, before he flicked himself into orbit, twisting his ankle, after such a dominant display last year that had you all creaming your orange panties?

Most of the stuff HRC brought this year has been left in the back of his race truck. Dani worked with it and got better.

Explain why his results always seem to go backwards pal?

 

Oh..and Burgess will be at Yamaha, to fck another one of your conspiracy theories and leave you clutching at straws..AGAIN!

OOOOH! the pain..hahaha.

Where are you going to hide next year if VR46 isn't the talentless, lucky bastard you keep trying to convince yourself he is?

What you gonna do if he spanks Pedrosa on the RCV..the man who wasted your hero Stoner on the same bike?

Where will your credibility lie if Ducati don't podium?

Pray it don't hapen pal..Go on. Down on your knees..hahaha.

 

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Respect our wee yellow Spanish Leprechaun

stems from the quality of one's posts. Yours are light on fact and heavy of hyperbole. Just the same as every other Rossi fanboy on here. Least not the Oompa Loompa in chief Wosideg - you only need to read the fictional tripe below to see that.

Where's the Burgess link Wosi? As far am I'm aware Bulto is right (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101889) and you're trying to bluff this one as is your wont.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Wosi...

"What you gonna do if he spanks Pedrosa on the RCV..the man who wasted your hero Stoner on the same bike?"

As I read it he's wasted Stoner 7 times (2 of which were with Stoner injured) to Stoner's 6 times so far this year... nice image but not much of a wasting is it?

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Bluff?..wosi?..never.

Nothing has been officially announced, there was talk of Yamaha coughing at the crews airfares/expenses but given Rossi's status and who he has as an Uncle..I don't think it's a major issue in reality.

This from the main protagonista.

"Valentino asked me to go to Yamaha with him and while I haven't yet spoken to Yamaha that is my intention." - Burgess.

"We spent seven years together with Jeremy and the technical crew. We haven't yet finalized that, we're going to have further discussions with Valentino, first we need to get the agreement with the rider done, then we can go for the plans with the crew and stuff. Until we fit everything I don't know. But I would say it's the garage crew, Jeremy and his squad." - Jarvis

http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-burgess-rossi-decision-no-brainer/

http://motomatters.com/interview/2012/08/23/lin_jarvis_on_rossi_s_return_what_it_mea.html

 

 

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Wosi old lad

No conspiracy, I really don't care one way or another if Burgess goes there or not. The quotes you've provided are old, before Rossi had signed. Burgess has spoken on it since and what he said was he hadn't been asked and if he was he have to think about it. He didn't say yes I'm going if they ask me. No conspiracy, just what he said. Means nothing until he decides.

Stoner preferred the CF9 and wanted it in 2008 after testing it - no argument. When he got it in 2009 they were on control tyres, not the tyres Ducati built the bike around and he tested it on. The control tyres hurt Ducati more than the others. Not hard to comprehend. Just like the new tyre earlier this year saw a reduction in Ducati front end wipeouts. Coincidence? - seeing as nothing changed on the bike.

Hayden may say it's the best Ducati he's ever ridden but there is no difference in his performance from the CF bike is there. He had the occassional result on that remember, just as he does now. They're lagging behind just as much now as they were in Stoner's time, yet you still blame on rider and not the other. Selective.

Explain to us why Dani is and was doing better than him, before he flicked himself into orbit, twisting his ankle, after such a dominant display last year that had you all creaming your orange panties?

Most of the stuff HRC brought this year has been left in the back of his race truck. Dani worked with it and got better.

A bit selective again here Wosi  -  The only thing Pedrosa took that Stoner didn't was the new chassis and Stoner beat him in the next race at Laguna with the 'old' frame, so not too concrete an argument you have there is it. Despite your wriggling with stats, they were pretty even in terms of speed up to Indy, something I've never disputed.

As for backwards results, it's reasonable to say (which means you'll disagree...) that the new tyres for 2012 messed up Honda more than Yamaha. Lorenzo is doing what he did last year and racking up consistent finishes. BOTH Honda riders have had chatter and Pedrosa had it again at Motegi with the new bike, so you can't blame Stoner for any input to that. Stoner got caught at Indy as they all do from time to time - Lorenzo last year in case you've forgotten - but for that it would still be a 3 way fight for wins and the title.

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