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Matthew Birt  says:

Honda vow not to use team orders to help Dani Pedrosa

In-form Dani Pedrosa won’t be able to rely on Aussie teammate Casey Stoner to help him capture an elusive first MotoGP world title after HRC refused point-blank to use controversial team orders in the last three races. With Stoner now back from injury and Pedrosa cutting Jorge Lorenzo’s lead to 28-points after a fourth win in five races in Japan last...

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supermario

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supermario says:

willc

nice post, good points. I agree with your top 3, but thats about it. You cannot compare casey to Mike the Bike. Has casey ever won on the island? I believe Hailwood also did a stint in F1. A true allround sportsman, and a gentleman. No comparison.

To be in the top ten I think a rider not only needs incredible ability, he also needs to be an ambassador of the sport. Anthony Gobert is one of the most naturally talented guys that ever swung a leg over a bike, but I wouldn't put him in any hall of fame for fear he might mug an old lady for drugs money. I'm not suggesting stoner would mug an old lady, but he certainly has no love for the sport.

 You mention Mick Doohan, quite rightly. The guy wins 5 titles after very nearly losing a leg. Kinda makes lactose intolerance look a bit sad don't you think? I couldn't possibly have stoner in any top ten. Too precious, too fragile and too willing to chuck in the towel. But as you say, everyones entitled to an opinion. Shame others can't respect that.

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TrumpetTriple

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Chuckle

You have to laugh on here, Supermario throws a hook and so many of you bite !!

As to team orders, it's only fair Casey doesn't help Dani as Ben isn't helping Jorge is he, it's totally down to Jorge to win on the Yamaha, i mean even Yamaha ain't making it easy for him, last engine, dog slow and i can't see an improvement for the Yamaha before next season now. 

The Honda is in a class of it's own, the speed Dani got past Jorge on the straight as well as Alvaro on Crutchlow was crazy, not even third gear before blasting past, didn't even tuck in properly either !.

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shawno76

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shawno76 says:

Easy now...

So, they are vowing not to use team orders in order to help Dani win the title?  From HRC who want that title more than anything?  Maybe they don't think Stoner can Help them.  Or will help them?  If that were the case  I disagree on the second point.  I think he would - for future opportunities (marketing, coaching etc.) except for Phillip Island which is personal to him.  He won't be looking to get in between anyone - he wants that win but I don't think he'll get it.  This is a highly pressured race for Stoner.  

Can you imagine being beaten by his team mate on home soil?  If Casey was 100% fit, I wouldn't take that bet.  However he's got a very fit and motivated Dani Pedrosa to contend with.  So that means point 1 is more likely.  With the form of Lorenzo.  It's going to be a tough call to get in between them.  Even with Stoners skill (please note Chatter returned with a vengeance in Motegi), he's not fully fit, therefore I don't think he can help them.  Make no mistake - Honda Want that Title More than anything..... there is more going on here than appears.  There is a plan formulating of some kind... kinda like the police notebooks in the gatehouse at Downing Street... Spidey senses going crazy,  Hopefully it'll come down to Valencia and give us all the spectacle we've wanted to see....  Get fit Casey and get back in the mix before you leave the Saloon buddy. 

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BlackCountryBullock

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Stoner ...

Stoner's 2011 world championship reign is almost at an end;

Stoner's 2012 world championship challenge has failed (it is now impossible for him to win the title):

Stoner's motivation is purely to win races - something that he recognises to be impossible given his physical condition;

Stoner's injury is so severe that expert medical advice is 6-9 months rest;

Stoner's injury is so severe that to crash again risks lasting, permanent damage;

Stoner's injury is such that he is unable to lever himself forward over the front of the bike with his legs to prevent wheelies under acceleration - forcing him to pull on the bars (rather than use his legs) to control the bike;

Stoners injury is such that he is forced to exert even greater, far more tiring stress on his arms and upper-body; 

Stoner's injury is so severe that, by his own admission, a further 4-6 weeks rest will not see a measurable improvement in his condition; 

Stoner doesn't believe in 'team-orders' - but isn't in a position to comply anyway; 

Stoner (by his own admission) doesn't even like the sport anymore;

Stoner has already signalled his intention to retire at the end of the season.

Taking all this into account, then perhaps SuperMario and Shawn are right to question: "Why is Stoner still 'racing'?"

Pressure from Honda?

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toadhancocks

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toadhancocks says:

@BCB

thats about the first sensible thing youve ever said benny! keep it up mate 

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

Rev.

Why would it be pressure from Honda - his contract would have been signed way before his accident and there's no incentive for him to tow the HRC party line? The reason he's continuing to race I would imagine, is all about his pride. He's a professional motorcycle racer and he's honouring his contract, I would think it's as simple as that..

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BlackCountryBullock

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CHR ...

... I take your point but hold a different view.

I think that Stoner is still very sensitive to the criticism that he received when taken ill at Ducati. People didn't (and still don't) think that he was 'sick' enough to take 'sick-leave'.

I think that Stoner has come back to put the record straight and to silence the critics. I think Stoner's come back to prove a point (maybe even to himself).

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cornbowl

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cornbowl says:

BCB

Dr Reverend, that new avatar is clearly showing you have the capacity for a lot more 'bull shite', remember to wipe and flush afterwards, oh, and don't forget to wash your hands, you dirty little begger.

I reckon Stoner's got a good chance of grabbing a podium this weekend, as long as 'Dovi the sheep' don't get in the way. Baaaaa.

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

Rev.

I'd go along with that..

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