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not rossi in the thread

not one word one vr in this thread, all casey casey casey for one simple reason, he is winning still!!!!!!!!!

get over rossi not winning the ducati has been proven just he does not get on with it just like you dont get on with stoners flawless victory and orving yet again he is deadly at a pure racers track and to add casey beat rossi fair and square on the ducati here ahem, bonfire has been pissed on!!!!!!!

Sorry CCB

This one has been peddled before and doesn't wash

Here one for you, Casey had two very dominant seasons in the 800 era ,and that where the bulk of his win totals come from. with the machine advantage he had both thoses years the wins declined 6,4,3

I hate to be repetitive but Capirossi is irrefutable proof that the GP7 was not the best bike otherwise he, as a rider who was close to winning the 2006 title but for injury, would have been winning on it too. If they had regular 1 - 2 podiums I'd agree. They didn't. When Senna and Prost won 15 of 16 races in the McLaren you could call it the best car. Not the GP7

Capirossi suffered the same fate then as Rossi has now, going from a proven race winner into utter oblivion. The only difference is that with Rossi it is all down to the bike being crap. With Capirossi, all sorts of reasons are given from becoming a father to losing interest to whatever. The truth is, the bike was just as difficult to get the best out of then as it is now. Stoner could do it, no-one else can. Only Hayden got close.

Again, we have one rule for Rossi, a different set for everyone else.

The only thing the GP7 had over other bikes was top speed for a while. Top speed does not win races. A fact Burgess used to harp on about in the pre-Doohan era when Honda used to go all out for power. Stoner has incredible ability to fire out of corners which as you'll know, helps top speed down a long straight. He's shown it over and over, again this weekend when the line and speed he came out of the last turn with to take Lorenzo was incredible - yet Eurosport muppets just refer to the speed of the Honda - no mention of Dovi easily keeping pace with two Hondas on the pit straight of course, lap after lap.

Stoner rode the balls off that Ducati like no-one else could and one day people may accept that it was no easy ride on the 'best bike'.

I don't care about 'biggest draw'

It existed before him, it'll exist without him. He is not Motogp.

Home Track? I doubt it.

Interesting that everyone keeps calling PI Stoner's “home track”. Just because it is in Australia and Stoner is an Australian doesn't make it his “home track”. Stoner grew up racing a long way from PI and I would be surprised if he had any more laps around it than any of the other riders and probably fewer than some. He certainly didn't grow up racing there as some others have done with their “home” circuits in Europe.

Lap Times

here's an interesting one - Stoner's fastest race lap from this year 1:30.191; Stoner's fastest race lap from 2010 on the Ducati 1:30.458; Rossi's fastest race lap this year 1:31.662; Rossi's fastest race lap from 2010 on a Yamaha 1:31.072. Incidentally, Lorenzo's fastest race lap from this year 1:30.703 and from 2010 1:30.796

There's progress for ya (unless your initials happen to be VR)! Turns out Stoner could have dragged the 2010 800cc Desmo out of retirement and still won - his race time from 2010 was a second quicker than Lorenzo's race time this year.

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