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Matthew Birt  says:

Marc Marquez exciting for MotoGP, says Nicky Hayden

Nicky Hayden believes the arrival of controversial but fast Spaniard Marc Marquez in MotoGP next season will inject fresh excitement and interest into the premier class. The reigning Moto2 world champion made an impressive MotoGP debut in last week’s weather-hit test in Valencia when he finished just over a second behind new Repsol Honda teammate Dani Pedrosa. Marquez was seventh quickest at...

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

A cathartic process..?

You gotta cut Milky some slack lads..

He's hurting and embarrased after this years showing. If you'd big upped your rider as a fifth alien and predator..while at  the same time questioning the validity of Cutchlow's place on the grid because of his passport, ironic to say the least coming from an American fan..you'd be hurt and embarrased too.

They say time's a healer and hopefully he'll come to terms with the disappointment. I fear Ben has been damaged beyond repair however.  

Nevermind eh..there's always the evergreen Hayden and Edwards. Twenty seasons with a total of three wins between them has got to be worth shouting for?

Cheer up Pal, think positive..tell us about your nations up and coming talent.  

 

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The dopey clowns don't even know they are broke hahahaha

How are you going to pay back all the debt the shity of london has racked up, ponzi finance the only game in town in cool britainia, until it ends lolololol.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Trumpet...

"The Honda is by far the best bike, regardless of Jorge winning the title, the Honda won most races"

There have been 2 factory teams comprising 3 riders in the 18 races of this year's championship capable of challenging for the title. 2 on Hondas, 1 on a Yamaha... the Yamaha took 6 wins (18/3= it's even share)... & the championship... unless you were watching a different championship.

"... and the Honda could simply blast the Yamaha down the straight... "

Ah... yeah... you were. Guess which bike was the fastest down the straight in the last round (QP, dry)... Ducati? Philip Island... QP... Ducati? Race... Yamaha?

I know... it's not all down to top speed... Stoner was complaining (surprise, surprise) that the electronics weren't allowing him to ride the bike the way he wanted & both he & Dani complained endlessly about the evident chatter they were experiencing... the problems that ducati are having are evident & JL was no doubt having his issues... but there's obviously nothing wrong with the overall power of each machine.

Has JL taken the Yam in the wrong direction since it was what he described as the best bike on the grid in 2010? Well thankfully it didn't effect his championship this year & he was a comfortable 2nd last year (despite all his races injured). The 2012 results were among the closest (for such high results) I think there's ever been between 2 riders on separate manufacturers, with 1 getting an extra win but still not clinching the title.

MM has no doubt got on one of the best bikes on the grid. IMO there are 2 at the moment.

Last year Honda had 4 factory bikes to 2 Yamahas & the whingers called it the best bike... this year it was effectively 2 to 1 & Yamaha won, but Honda's the best bike... next year I have a sneaking feeling the Honda will be best bike again to the same people. Will it be for the same reasons as this year?

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YamahaGYTR

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YamahaGYTR says:

An exciting prospect indeed but it will be fireworks if he does beat Honda's golden boy at the first attempt.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

C'mon Rev...

"Honda clinched their 61st Constructors Championship in 2012"

As stated, Yamaha had effectively 1 rider to Hondas 2 in the race. Bad bike or bad choice of rider... or bad luck? If the bike was the problem how come JL won the title?

"Honda will claim that they have the best bike - it's a view supported by title wins."

Yup... show me a manufacturer who wouldn't claim their bike's the best... Yamaha do... who's right?... & title wins?... 1 in how many years? I think we're talking present day, not of-all-time*... & currently JL on a Yamaha holds the title. Honda have only won the last 2 constructor's championships by effectively having twice the number of factory bikes on the grid... previously, when they had equal numbers of riders on challenging on factory kit Yamaha dominated in every sense.

 

* & in all-time MotoGP/500cc constructor's champoinship wins MV Augusta has only just been overtaken by Honda in those last 2 years. A feat Yamaha still has to achieve! There you have it... MVA, 2nd best bike on the grid, obviously... er... not!

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RidgeRacerHRC

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quite right blood

dont think Repsol / Honda are too fussed with who wins as long as its either Dani or Marquez!!

such a shame Stoner left the Repsol garage i would have liked to see one more season of Dani/ Stoner ala Mick Doohan / Creville. The question is would Dani have found this extra gear without having Stoner as his teamate?

Marquez will do alright i reckon hopefully a top five finish in the championship with a couple of wins. Not sure what Crutchlow was babbling about in that other article but he will definitely be troubling Lorenzo and Pedrosa on certain occasions

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

The Honda lane..

Honda have a better bike than Yamaha..the manufacturers table doesn't lie, just like the riders table which meant Lorenzo was the best rider.

Taking all points scored by the respective manufacturer prototypes..

Honda: 899 - Yamaha: 807 - Ducati: 427

And that's with Bautista and rookie Bradl on the satellite bikes!

Honda didn't have the advantage they had last year, as shown by Stoners results this year, and Yamaha closed the gap a little. It was still pretty clear the RCV was the better bike though.

Nearly all the bike's overtaking was done on the straights, reminscent of Ducati in 2007.

They brought the 2013 bike for mid-season and the results from there on in tell the story.

Here's what Cal had to say..

"Our bike's no good round here. If you see, Lorenzo's losing half a second in one sector to Casey and Dani over the last two days. He stepped it up in qualifying but we can't change down as fast as them, so at the hairpin (Honda corner) you have to go back four gears we have to use the clutch, with their seamless shift they don't." 

"Coming out, we can't change gear with any spin so if our bike is spinning, we have to keep delaying and rolling the throttle. It's like riding a 600 or a Superbike as that's what you have to do. It's difficult and that's where we are losing the time."

Of course, we could all take Hedgey's word for it over just about every other informed opinion in the paddock?

 

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Wosi...

"Here's what Cal had to say.."

Cal is a rider... he's gonna blame the bike just like Stoner did & any rider who's underperforming... here's what Stoner had to say... nah, stuff it, you've heard it all before.

"Honda: 899 - Yamaha: 807 - Ducati: 427..."

Yep... Ben Spies... the bane of Yamaha's season 88 points total... even another rider of Dovi's calibre would have sealed it for them easily... as I think I said... bike or rider... & if it was the bike how come JL won?

Rev... I'm not arguing that Honda didn't win the constructor's championship... just that they had 2 riders adding 25/20/16 points each weekend rather than 1, therefore not necessarily the best bike. Top factory rider & top satellite... both Yamaha's... but the Honda's a better bike.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Rev.

I'm saying even if they'd had 3 satellite bikes & someone of Dovi's experience Yamaha would have taken the constructor's easily. They had Ben... if it was bike reliability why was Dovi's Yamaha the only bike to finish every race? Why did JL's Yam have no reliability DNF's... Cal ran out of fuel... did he have any other mechanical DNF?

Can you say after a season of no finishes other than 1st or 2nd that it's not a damn good bike? Does 1 rider having the worst luck ever make every M1 worse than another bike? ... Dunno... Honda won the constructor's... but no-one here has a conclusive argument that either are better bikes.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Rev...

Yeah, but JL actually won the title with one less engine, courtesy of Bautista. Swings & roundabouts... certainly not as clear cut as some of the best-bike-whingers might have it.

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