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Filippo Preziosi replaced in Ducati management shake-up

The fallout from Valentino Rossi’s disastrous two-year spell with Ducati is starting to be felt, with Filippo Preziosi and Alessandro Cicognani replaced in a major management shake-up. The highest profile casualty is Preziosi, who has been an instrumental figure at Ducati Corse since the Bologna factory entered MotoGP back in 2003. He was widely acclaimed in 2007 when Casey Stoner won the...

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chipsandgravy

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Hah!

Riding around problems and being a talented, lazy bastard only gets you so far at this level.

How far is that then? 2 World Titles? Further than most, certainly further than using Pedrosa as a comparison.

And how in god's left nut would YOU know what it takes "at this level". Been there have you? Sit down sunshine and get off the pulpit, you're no more than a keyboard warrior like the rest of us. Stoner is long gone and still you can't resist a dig. Pathetic!

 

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princeofrepsol

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Sacrificial Cripple

Rossi's pathetic performance over the last 2 years has seen this poor disabled man pushed in front of a bus, Remember I 100% gauranteed you this would happen back in round 2 2010. Princeofrepsol - 8 Gormless Yellow Mouth Breathers - Nil.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Star Trek and klingingon..

I doubt poor Prezel will be joining you and your pet dingo for a root round the local skips, priceyrectal..

..and that's kinda the point C&G. Every single world class rider who's worked with him says they've had their requests ignored, including your beloved 2012 under achiever who cited it as the reason he bailed. Although we all know it was because Lorenzo got offered his job on 3 times the money really.

Mister Data prefered to place his faith in information gathered and stored on his computer. There was now't wrong with the bike and how it felt..the failings were all down to his over paid, trophy waving pilots and WTF do they know?

He didn't embrace the changes needed..outsourcing an ally beam frame to FTR hurt his pride and he dug his heels in. It was HIS project and this was the way Ducati did things.

The next generation Desmosedici will have all traces of his DNA blow torched from it's soul.

He wasn't up to the job. 

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CBR11X

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CBR11X says:

Ah, it's that time of the year again. Nobody's got anything intelligent to say so I'll see you all in March 2013. Merry Christmans and a Happy New Year.

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carcleanerboy

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cbr

Have a good one mate, and see you in spring.

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Make no mistake

This Corse rejig is all down to the corporate blindness of the Ducati CEO Del Torchio - Rossi fanboy in chief.

Ducati threw far more resource and money at the D16 during Rossi's two year tenure than they ever did for Stoner. Burgess thought it was a motorcycle capable of winning, he felt it much closer to the mark than the 2003 M1. Nor did Burgess have any problems with the L engine. He too was let down by his rider. We heard plenty of his frustration with Rossi during this season.

The GP12 had the same forks, brakes and electronics as Yamaha, same chassis type, and an acknowledged strong engine - which limp wristed Rossi felt was too aggressive - yet Dovi found it very accomodating in Valencia testing. Where's the problem with the motorcycle? Dynamic weight distribution with a 67kg lump on top can (or should be able to) easily overcome any perceived static weight distribution issues.

And let's remember despite all Wosi's bluff and bluster (because that's all it is - zero substance) laps times have not moved on significantly since 2010. In fact 2011 Stoner ran very similar times on the RCV to  those he did on the previous years D16 in comparable conditions. We can only wonder what Stoner would've done on the thing with the more compliant 2012 generation Bridgestone front, either the initial 2012 one or the softer Rossi spec type 33.

The D16 may not be the best bike on the grid, but the reality is it's only 'teenths off to RCV's & M1's, and not the million miles the Oompa Loompa bleat.

Rossi has amply displayed his one dimensionality, barely beating Mr Mediorce Hayden 2011/12. Don't expect much more from him 2013. The game's been upped and he's the one gasping. Such a shame the open minded Preziosi is the one to pay the price. Although I feel this announcement is more head lining than substance. Preziosi will still be involved with the evolution of the D16 engine.

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

and others

refuse to acknowledge the reality of the situation.

This was almost guaranteed to happen from the moment Rossi swung his leg off the Duke for the first time in 2010 shaking.

Some people, through their deeds or misdeeds, seem almost untouchable in this world, with others having to carry the can for the ineptitude of these individuals. History is littered with such examples, of which Rossi & Preziosi are yet another.

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acanada46

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acanada46 says:

stoner fanboys

aka nostro,caseypacey and motoking to name but three deluded individuals blaming rossi for ducatis woes....

Audi have taken the right steps to try and improve the duke removing  preziosi he stole a march on the competition in 2007 since then he has been devoid of any meaningful improvements....

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carcleanerboy

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all sounds very plausable Nostro

Rossi left behind, nothing wrong with the bike etc UNTIL i throw in the curve ball of 2010.

If Stoner is the god like genius you make him out to be, who could ride around the dukes slight flaws with simple weight distribution ,why did he finish behind Rossi in 2010? is a badly injured shoulder broken leg with four rounds missed not a bigger hinderence than the only minor issues with the Duke??

Stoner couldnt deal with the changes Honda made or the changes in tyres and fired himself off, and was struggling before that. What does that mean? it should hes human and couldnt make it work for him the way it has for Pedrosa.

Rossi was the same with the Ducati, the bike wasnt that good and for some reason he just couldnt get on with it. Ive raced many a bike people said was shit and won on them ,but also did half a season on a honda people said was the greatest thing since sliced bread ,but hated it.

So Rossi isnt perfect, so what, none of them are, its just you'l excuse any of Stoners failings yet attack rossi's ( lets not forget Stoner couldnt  win a championship in 125's or 250's) or should we ignore that stat.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Let's see..

Resources..Two Ally frames and a couple of swingarms 2012. 2011 was a revised stiffness front subframe of the same design as before, then an ally spider frame that bolted to the exisxting. Not much compared to Honda.

Let's not forget..Stoner had a completely redesigned bike for 2009 in very expensive Carbon Fibre. 2010 that had major upgrades. A redesigned big bang motor, rear subframe, fairing with winglets, swinging arms.

If you're counting wages as resources..yes. Hardware for the bike..no. Rossi's wages are covered by the extra sponsorship because of his popularity and track record.

Does anyone honestly believe Stoner was as fast and competitive on the Ducati as he was on the Honda? Explain why he came 4th with just 3 wins then jumped onto the RCV and won more than three times the amount of races and took the title? HRC spent tens of millions, gearbox and all, trashing the opposition and it was no better than the GP10?..Jesus.

Ducati don't have an issue with the bike's handling, packaging and weight distribution..it's just Rossi is a 67kg sack of spuds. Why did Stoner crash the fkin thing five times in 2010?

Dovi found it very accomodating? He was two-and-a-half seconds off the pole time from the race..he also confirmed understeer on corner exit, even cruising at that pace.

Barely beating Hayden? Going to Valencia 2010, 17 races in, Stoner led Nick by 42pts. Same scenario this year, Rossi was in front by 35pts. Less than half a point a race makes Stoner a genius and Rossi a flop?

 

There is nowhere to hide for Valentino 2013. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating. If the Ducati's beat him regular while Jorge is winning, it's game over.

If he sticks it up front and Dovi, Hayden et al struggle..there'll be nowhere for Nostro to hide.

Keep digging that hole Pal.

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