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Matthew Birt  says:

Nicky Hayden confident Ducati can cure understeer issue

Nicky Hayden remains confident Ducati can solve a persistent understeer issue that has dogged the Desmosedici MotoGP project in recent years. The understeer issue was a constant complaint of Valentino Rossi during his disastrous two-year stint with Ducati, which ended in him walking out to sign a new deal with Yamaha for 2013 and 2014. Hayden believes Ducati made some progress in...

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Evidence Bruce?..where?

If you can prove what you say..you've got an international scoop on your hands and will be quids in.

Honda don't release the figures but conventional wisdom has the V-angle around the 75 degree mark, maybe less.

Read this while relaxing in your armchair Pal..I doubt you'll be falling off the fker laughing.

 

http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/08/08/the_trouble_with_the_ducati_desmosedici_.html

 

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motoking

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motoking says:

CRAZY DOG

what is exactly you want crazy dog? and all you 46ers moron?

2007 - 2010 you said it was stoner failure, NOT THE BIKE. BUT now 2011-2012 YOU SAID ITS THE BIKE?????!!!!! WHERE WERE YOUR BRAIN RABIES DOG??? YOUR BRAIN IS EXACTLY AS BIG AS YOUR LOVELY PICTURE BUDDY!!!!! THE SAME GOES TO YOU ALL 46ERS HERE.

 

ARE YOU ALL GONE TO SCHOOL???? OR JOBLESS MAYBE AND STRESS????

THAT'S WHY I SAID LONG TIME AGO, USE YOUR ASS PROPERLY!!! DON'T ABUSE IT AND DAMAGE YOUR BRAIN NERVES. YOU DON'T KNOW?? NEAR YOUR ASS IS THE CENTER OF NERVES!!! SO USE IT PROPERLY!!!!! MORON!!!!!!!!

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Dearey me..

:biggrin::laugh::tongue:..Keep your hair on Stonerstool.

I'll explain, in simple terms..

We can't have can't have Valentino Rossi, the finest rider of modern times, taking the blame now..can we?

I think you'll find it was all Preziosi's fault..with a little help from Casey, who chose the lazy crash happy approach rather than manning up and sorting the real problems out.

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

ha, ha, it's the Punch and Judy show

Saturn. I'm a natural born cynic yet even I can see the proverb you quote is pure tosh. You are so typical of the breed - shallow - only seeing the front man and ignoring all the rest. Painting Corse as some hick backyard garage operation and not the highly successful racing organisation it is with dozens of talented, qualified, specialist engineers. Ducati will now also be able to tap into the engineering expertise of Audi. Be that electronic, materials, combustion whatever. There are lots of areas of cross pollination. The basic makeup of the Corse engineering team (and this includes Preziosi who still has much to offer)  hasn't and doesn't need to change. Try to expand your thinking beyond simple schoolboy level eh?

Wosi - Rossi the finest rider of modern times! Ho, ho, ho, how you make me laugh. The most successful, yes. But finest - not a chance. That mantle has to go to either Stoner or Spencer depending on your interpretation of modern times. Finest riders don't fail to the extent he did, or with the degree of ignominy that Rossi has.

 

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Wosi...

"Rossi has turned the bike around as far as is possible"

I know it was running slower than the 2010 CF bike but I didn't realise the reason was that Rossi was facing the wrong way!

:laugh:

Rossi presence & constant criticism (otherwise known as moaning) forced a multitude of changes none of which made the bike any faster. Ducati actually lost ground to the Japanese bikes (further from the leaders) & ultimately were slower than they were 2 years earlier (slower than Hayden's 800cc 2010 lap & race times)... I don't think Rossi would want to take any credit for that.

Rossi - "I'm disappointed with the fact that I haven't been able to sort out the bike and make it a winner, and even if not a winner not managing to improve it, to make some steps forward."

Clearly he has no delusions about turning the bike around, other than to return it to the garage & walk away.

...& if you think it has turned around as far as possible then Ducati may as well walk away from MotoGP now, but I'm fairly sure it's possible for them to actually improve. Time will tell. Let's hope they can turn it a full 180 & have it facing the right way again to contest for wins.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Ducati actually lost ground to the Japanese bikes (further from the leaders) & ultimately were slower than they were 2 years earlier (slower than Hayden's 800cc 2010 lap & race times)..

Rather a sweeping statement Hedgey? Define the amount of ground they lost and where? plus..was Hayden faster at every race in 2010?

Hayden says it's the best Ducati he's ridden and has improved from 2 years ago. The problem with you orange fairies is that you never acknowledge that the opposition moved on and think Casey would have been winning on a CF Ducati..

He couldn't even beat his team mate.

 

The Spencer/Stoner parallel is a good one. Both riders were fast but flawed..medical ailments and mental fragility being top of the list.

Let's hope for Casey's sake he doesn't comeback and make an arse of himself like Freddie.

 

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cornbowl

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cornbowl says:

Help needed

by a couple of strong guys to take Motoking down to the vets, because he definitely needs treatment.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Wosi...

"Rather a sweeping statement Hedgey"

Rossi made the statement... no improvement, no steps forward... sweeping indeed... or are you saying the Japanese have been standing still too waiting for them to get their act together?

"Define the amount of ground they lost and where?"

Look at how far back Hayden was from the leader at each race & compare it with 2010.

"plus..was Hayden faster at every race in 2010?"

H5 - "ultimately were slower than they were 2 years earlier (slower than Hayden's 800cc 2010 lap & race times)..."

Ultimate... the end of a progression or series... i.e. the last race & QP times you could compare. He was slower in several QP's than 2010. Overall race times are more difficult to compare but the last one stands out.

"Hayden says it's the best Ducati he's ridden and has improved from 2 years ago"

Rossi said almost the same at the start of the season. Words don't improve lap times... evidently.

"...you never acknowledge that the opposition moved on and think Casey would have been winning on a CF Ducati."

The opposition has moved on... I've said that... repeatedly... yeah? But, despite JL's Yamaha being faster than the last 2 years, it hadn't moved on sufficiently to outdo Stoner's 2010 800cc race time had it?

"He couldn't even beat his team mate."

Stoner's been beaten once by his team mate in MotoGP in a year blighted by injury... which other rider can you say that about?

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saturn392

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saturn392 says:

Nostro the cynical optomist.

Of course Ducati are not some hick backyard garage operation but they are not in the same league as the Japanese giants. Whatever Audi brings engineeringwise will have to be transformed into a package that works as a prototype racing motorcycle and that's down to the current Corse engineers and technicians. The biggest problem they seem to have is getting the engine, power delivery the handiling and the tyres working together which is a solution that has so far eluded them.  Whatever Audi give them to work with it's still down to them.     Good luck to them I for one would love to see them back in the mix.     As a cynic I'm not that confident.

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Ocdcbr

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Ocdcbr says:

Interesting

That prez has been moved to another role so quickly. He was obviously not achieving what he needed to. Stoner was able to get over the Ducati problems. No other rider has been able to yet. I'm hoping that Rossi can get back on with the yam and prove he's still got it. Then all you armchair fans can eat some humble pie. I don't believe Rossi lost it by moving to the Ducati. In that last year w yam he was roughing up the top 3 as usual. He is a top class rider. Yes he's getting older. Forget about Ducati. I have and no doubt Rossi has. Roll on next year.

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