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.."t's the best guys on the best bikes" .. I think what you possibly should have said is, it's the best 4 guys in the world, on arguably the best 4 bikes in the world. Remember Laverty has just been signed to this farce..!

Conditions Wosi?

I agree - which is why I've always said comparisons are pretty pointless, but you have favoured lap time comparisons from previous races / seasons to make a point on many occassions, now you're saying they're not relevant?

You like to blame Honda. Can you name one manufacturer in any discipline that has not tried to gain an advantage from rules, or manipulate rules to do the same? They're all in it to win it, at whatever cost. No-one was moaning about Honda when Rossi was doing his winning with them and their electronic aids. Now they're perceived as the root of the problem

No-one moaned about the Yamaha dominance from 2004.

No-one cared that Stoner wasn't winning on the Ducati in his last two years as often as he was in the first two. They were happy to blame him for taking the bike in the wrong direction - not a murmur about Preziosi being to blame. How things changed when Rossi was there.

The problem with the racing is technology which has slowly but surely screwed up motorsport across many disciplines. To get back to pure racing they should get rid of electronic aids - all of them. The power of the bikes would have to come down to manageable levels which would reduce costs. More emphasis would go onto rider ability. Laptop gurus would no longer control laptimes.

But then you'll have the muppets complaining that the technology is needed to improve the road bikes - because every sports bike rider / bar stool racer out there thinks they need it to go faster on the road, when the truth is they can't handle a fraction of their bike's potential on the track, let alone a public road.

Both Motogp and WSB need to get back to basics, Motogp being protootypes, WSB production based bikes without all the factory parts and electronics. Then you'd be back to a lap time differential that is more resemblant to the two genres of bike.

Motogp in its current format has become a sport for four riders lucky enough to land the plum rides. The rest are wasting their time and millions of pounds.

Getting back to Hayden's test times, I don't really know what to make of them but in cooler, therefore worse, conditions, he has improved his times from his last times at Jerez. Iannone is 2 seconds quicker than Rossi was and a lot closer to Hayden than Rossi was. Make of it what you will but it's better they are going quicker rather than slower.

Bulto

Many posters including yourself  are of the opinion that MotoGP should be all about factory prototypes and I would not disagree with that.  May I take you up on paragraph 4 of your loquacious text below which seems to be in opposition to that view.

If the problem is technology and we need to get rid of riders aids and reduce power to a manageable level surely that goes against everything that a prototype racer is all about. Prototypes are original designs from which future designs are developed.  If you stunt this development by implementing what you suggest then we might as well scrap MotoGP and just have a Superbike series.

cheers Rev

It's nice to know I can rely on your good self and saturn for more reasoned views on these matters.
Although I really want Ducati to find solutions I suspect my reasons are completely different to bultoboy.

Bulto

In this area I don't think we're too far apart!  In previous posts I have advocated a Moto1 class - the formula seems to have worked very well with Moto2 which I thought would be a disaster when it was envisaged - thankfully it wasn't and produces far better racing that MotoGP.   The crux of the matter is prototype racing will only produce success for the wealthiest and most technically advanced factories so the choice is abandon it and adopt a Moto1 class or continue with a spectacle of 4 to 6 prototypes with maybe 4 aliens winning all the races ?

Purists will go for the latter while racing entusiasts just want close racing.