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Matthew Birt  says:

Valentino Rossi and Casey Stoner clash over Laguna ’08 again

Long running tension and animosity between Valentino Rossi and Casey Stoner is showing no sign of letting up, despite the Australian’s retirement from MotoGP at the end of the season. The trigger for another clash has once again been the controversial and famous clash between the pair at Laguna Seca in 2008. In an interview with Dainese’s Legends magazine, Ducati flop Rossi...

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dacron

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dacron says:

kamikaze

a lot of people still claiming vales superior race craft won him laguna that day. it wasn't race craft at all , it was total all or nothing desperation filled with mistakes and misjudgement. since quatar 2007 stoner was the benchmark , vale was dumbfounded how to stop stoners momentum and at laguna 08 he and his team planned to fuffle stoner at all cost and not let him get in front and reach his maximum pace. thats why everytime stoner got in front vale threw out desperate overtakes to get back in front and keep him behind. as we seen stoner stopped overtaking and decided to sit on vales ass and wait for the last few laps to let loose , he almost rode right through vale after the back wheel lifted and shifted to the inside on braking swerving outside vale to miss him and the bike dropped in the gravel ending the famous duel. it was risky and very dangerous riding from vale but from an unbiased point of view it was a master stroke and probably the only way anyone could of stopped stoners dominance that season. stoner was a kid who was taught to race hard and fare , to him it would of seemed vales riding that day as outrageous and unnecessary . i think personally for the next few races stoner had second thoughts of getting in front of vale , holding back and avoiding a bullying.

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vvlf

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vvlf says:

Ducati

Why did stoner leave ducati? if he was such a fantastic rider on it.

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dacron

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dacron says:

the plan

@vvlf. stoner was happy to stay at ducati his entire career . i believe livio suppo and shuei nakamoto somewhere along the line formed a plan to get him to honda , after stoners illness in 09 the heads at philip morris and a few high up ducati ass lickers publicly disrespected stoner and also took a grab at jlo in his absence , livio is stoners biggest fan and the one who spotted his talent back in the 125s and also the one who tried hard to convince ducati to hire him. shuei gets livio in the honda employ all the while livio remains in full contact with stoner , most certainly without ducati's knowledge. surprisingly ducati tried tooth and nail to hold onto stoner even though they thought it was there bike doing the goods , there must of been that niggling voice in the back of there heads saying just mabe there's more to it than the bike.

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dacron

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dacron says:

burst a bubble

@bloodbubble. i never said anything about whether stoner admitted his mistake or not. i simply described the mistake is all . go watch it again my good man and use your eyes well , you will see that what happens is exactly as i described it.

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dacron

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dacron says:

open the mind a little

@bloodbubble says... What was it Vale said of Casey when he won the year before after the epic duel in Catalunya? "Today Stoner rode like a god." . thats all true mate , but at the same time stoner beat vale without using dangerous desperate overtakes at catalunya 07 , they were clean and precious. stoner had no such respect at laguna 08.

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dacron

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dacron says:

open the mind a little

@bloodbubble says... What was it Vale said of Casey when he won the year before after the epic duel in Catalunya? "Today Stoner rode like a god." . thats all true mate , but at the same time stoner beat vale without using dangerous desperate overtakes at catalunya 07 , they were clean and precious. stoner was given no such respect at laguna 08.

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doohanfan says:

ratchetman

Laguna seca 2008 was a racing incident only because rossi did three quarters lose the bike. If it had been a deliberate move it would have been totally illegitimate and warranted a suspension. He did not "leave stoner room" he re-entered the track at a vector which would have resulted in him T-boning stoner at right angles with potentially serious consequences for both of them if stoner had not reacted so quickly; stoner in fact had to move right across to the other side of the track to avoid a collision. When stoner made his mistake, which he admitted was his mistake, he could easily have run into the back of rossi (it would have been to his tactical and strategic advantage to do so) without any recriminations since rossi was blocking him (which he is of course entitled to do since he was in front) but chose to put it in the gravel.

Rossi rode an inspired and tactically brilliant race (except for the corkscrew lose) to win a race he shouldn't have been able to win as kevin schwantz said, but his entire tactic also relied on stoner's ability and fairness as a rider; do you think he would have rode such a race if his oppponent was tony elias? He did run stoner right to the margin of the track when stoner was on the racing line and in front on at least one occasion,  just  prior to the  corkscrew incident. He did of course do amazingly well to keep the bike upright during the off-track excursion resulting from his mistake at the corkscrew.

It is my opinion that what rankled stoner was rossi's triumphalism after the race after so nearly taking them both out. Stoner probably formed the conclusion that he would still be the bad guy if rossi had actually succeeded in taking him out, and if so was proven correct at jerez in 2011.

What is  amusing/ironic is that despite valentino and jb devising tactics to defeat stoner at laguna seca 2008 which relied on the obvious deficiencies of the ducati  as a race bike ie that there are horses and carts that handle better they 2 years later signed up with ducati. They like so many others assumed the deficiency was in stoner, not the bike.


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gaziskwakers

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gaziskwakers says:

Slow news day = lets

write something about Rossi and Stoner, well done MCN. Try find some real news please.

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Gra46

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Gra46 says:

Rossi VS stoner

Anyone that gets in to the Rossi VS Stoner debate just needs to look at the facts. Rossi 9 times world champion, Stoner 2 times world champion and quitter. Nuff said!!

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

gra 46 and rossi vs stoner

Rossi is probably the greatest rider of all time. His 9 championships were all on the very best factory equipment, but then so are most gp championships, and they put riders on such equipment because they are the best, that is how it has always worked, and no-one other than agostini has been able to perform for so long at the consistently high level that rossi did and may do again.

Nevertheless, on less than premium factory equipment, stoner's record for ducati is 23 wins in 4 years to rossi's 0 in 2 years. You too can slice that anyway you like, including stoner being 1.5 seconds a lap quicker on the same bike 2 days apart at valencia in 2010.

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