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Matthew Birt  says:

Casey Stoner memories: Vittoriano Guareschi

2012 marked the end of an era when double MotoGP world champion Casey Stoner hung up his leathers after finishing third in the Valencia race in November. The Australian– widely acclaimed as one of the fastest riders in history – quit at just 27 after becoming disillusioned at constant rule changes and fearful that his lifelong passion for motorcycling would be...

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Impartial ignorance..

Did you know..that in 2003, The factory Yamaha team failed to podium at all?

Barros on the satellite squad scored the only podium(3rd) for Yamaha, at an early season French GP riddled with retirements. They had six bikes on the grid all year long. Checa was best in 7th, the rest finished 9th, 10th, 12th, 15th & 16th.  Yamaha hadn't won a title for 11 years.

Yes..that's the same Alex Barros who is credited for the Yamaha turnaround having identified a peaky engine, down on power. Which is like saying Cal is responsible for Jorge's bike getting a seamless shift box because he talked about it in Australia.

2004..Rossi won the title with nine victories. Factory team mate Checa finished 7th without a podium again. The satellite tech 3 bikes of Melandri & Abe - no slouches - were 12th and 13th respectively in the standings.

 

Nostro..Do you not think Corse have run countless simulations and have their weight distribution where they want it?

Simulations?

They've done better than that..and built a bike around an engine designed for another concept altogether. They cannot put weight inside the magic triangle Furusawa lectured Preziosi over, without compromising other vital geometric givens. Swinging arm pivot and g/box output sprocket position, swingarm length and wheelbase.

Ducati have let some great riders walk because of their fabled do now't, bull-headed philosophy.

Contrary to popular orange fanboi opinion, Audi realise this too and have started to put different management structures in place that are less dogmatic.

http://motomatters.com/interview/2012/08/21/masao_furusawa_interview_on_visiting_ita.html

 

 

 

 

 

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

"The satellite tech 3 bikes of Melandri & Abe - no slouches - were 12th and 13th respectively in the standings."

Is that the same Melandri who was 17th in the standings in 2008 on the Ducati? - Wosi, just remind me, where did Stoner, his team mate, come in 2008?..

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

Capirossi was 7th in 07..

..His team mate, Stoner, caned the lot of them that year. What's your point Wosi?

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

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Now who's being stupid CHR?

Remind us where little Dani Pedrosa's team mate finished this year?

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vmax4steve

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vmax4steve says:

What you always fail to acknowledge Wosi is that Rossi was a clear #1 rider for Yamaha until 2009 when Lorenzo got an equal machinery contract. The Tech3 Yams in 2004 were 2003 machines, no cross plane reverse crank and special Michelins for them and no special Michelins for Checa either.

The reason Rossi left Honda was because they wouldn't give him that #1 status that he felt he earned and he spat his dummy when Gibernau started to give him a hard time on an equal bike.

Stoners only advantage in 2007 was the Bridgestone tyres, and then only at certain tracks. Capirossi had them as well and couldn't ride like Stoner could as he had a 250 front end style, same as Rossi and Melandri.

Without that tyre advantage Stoner was fighting even harder for wins on a bike with little front end feel against one with all the feel, and now grip, that Rossi wanted.

On the Honda 2011 Stoner dominated on a bike developed around Pedrosa with everyone on equal tyres, in 2012 the tyres were changed on a so called safety issue that didn't exist except for Ducati and it's non existant front end feel that it always had.

And who is Bridgestones development rider ? And who is Bridgestones face for advertising and marketing ? And who was doing f*ck all on the Bridgestones ?

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supermario

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supermario says:

Yeah what is your point chr?

Are you saying that stoner didn't get beaten by Pedrosa?

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

"Remind us where little Dani Pedrosa's team mate finished this year?"

I'm more than happy to tell you, that's after you remind me where Rossi finished this year...

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moany100

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moany100 says:

vmax4steve

Steve a very coherant point apart from Rossi didn't leave Honda for the reasons you state,Secondly and by far the biggest mistake who owns Bridgestone? it's not Ducati so if you think that they made tyres to suit the Duke i think you need to look furthjer

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

Ha ha ha ha Wosi..

..you sap!..ha ha ha ha!

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

impartial ignorance

All championships are creditable, which is why 7 of them is such an epic achievement. The 2004 championship rates among the best of rossi's championships for me, second  to the 2008 championship where he rode stunningly well, making approximately 1.6 mistakes in the whole year.

I don't see the 2004 championship as any greater an achievement than stoner's 2007 ducati championship though, his first year on that bike and ducati's only championship, ducati having now contested the championship 10 times.

And yes, stoner did have a very similar 2012 to rossi's 2010.

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