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Matthew Birt  says:

Casey Stoner memories: Vittoriano Guareschi

2012 marked the end of an era when double MotoGP world champion Casey Stoner hung up his leathers after finishing third in the Valencia race in November. The Australian– widely acclaimed as one of the fastest riders in history – quit at just 27 after becoming disillusioned at constant rule changes and fearful that his lifelong passion for motorcycling would be...

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supermario

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supermario says:

Seems my only fault here

is to have an opinion that differs to that of a few whingers. Instead of crying about it, either offer a reasonable answer as to why you feel stoner deserves acclaim, or just deal with it.

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

one of your faults supermario

would seem to be a  basic problem with comprehension.

2 premier class world championship wins, and 38 premier class victories, 23 of them on a bike on which other riders won 1 race in total, is by most standards pretty good. You are aware that premier class gp bike racing is a fairly worldwide sport which has been going for more than 50 years, in which not many of those who  made it to the level of participant in the sport, and obviously none of the other myriad people on the planet during this time who didn't, have won 2 titles, and only 3 previous participants have won  more races? In most world sports this would count as a fairly significant achievement. Some blokes called guareschi, suppo, burgess, edwards, cecchinello, richardson and dawson would appear to consider he is worthy of some acclaim anyway, which is why these threads exist.

Your boy rossi's achievements are considerably greater , no argument, and all praise to him, but surely stoner's lesser record in comparison to him but very creditable record in comparison with most others speaks for the level of rossi's achievement rather than against it. I really don't get you guys.

I think it is fairly unlikely that anyone else will win 79 premier class races or 7 premier class championships again, so perhaps there is no point holding  further motogp races or championships, the records of all other riders should be expunged, and fans of bike racing should content themselves with venerating valentino for the remaining span of human existence.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Soup...

"either offer a reasonable answer as to why you feel stoner deserves acclaim, or just deal with it."

Simple... Stoner beat Rossi (the guy a lot call the GOAT) more than Rossi beat him.

Every put-down you've used to discredit Stoner's achievements can be applied to Rossi (as I've explained) often to a more significant extent.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Wosi...

"Pedrosa won 7 races, Stoner 4"

What? I think you'll find it was 5... that's only 1 less than the guy who won the championship & quite a few more than the 2 Rossi won when he was absolutely anihilated by his team mate in 2010... 150 points?

Lets examine this statement...

Casey Stoner was odds-on favourite to win 2012 but came 3rd and was already in 3rd place BEFORE he made a silly error 7 minutes into QP at Indy. Nobody else involved. Own Fault.

Who would you say was odds on favourite in 2010 having just won back to back championships with Yamaha... & crashed on what wasn't even a fast lap after what he said was his own error in allowing the tyres to cool because he didn't want to be followed... by a rookie?  Own Fault.

Dani wiped his arse for him and the MOST embarassing thing is that Dani has never won a title. He was always 4th best alien and he beat Casey riding the same bike.

... in 2010...

JL wiped his arse for him and the MOST embarassing thing is that JL had never won a title. He'd only been in MotoGP for 2 years before he beat Rossi riding the same bike.

The way Dani finished the season, Stoner would have been beaten whether he'd banged himself up or not.

The way JL rode the whole season, Rossi would have been beaten whether he'd banged himself up or not.

This is why some of us think  he's over rated.

Do you... indeed? Your statement, not mine.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Rossi Rossi Rossi Rossi..

Haha..all the time.

Birty's soft porn stories for #27ers are about Stoner..not Rossi and, in case you hadn't noticed Rossi is a washed up loser, lucky to be in the right place at the right time? Dinstinctly non-alien according to you orange pansies.

Setting your sights a little low holding him up for comparison aren't we? 

Dani Pedrosa is not Jorge lorenzo..nowhwere near.

In 2010 Rossi had a bone sticking out his leg and was in hospital for a week. Stoner had a twisted ankle and was able to ride and finish 4th the day after.

How he couldn't make the next three races is beyond me? Was there some Barramundi fishing on somewhere? 

Even so..Rossi was never spanked by a serial loser on the same bike was he, and he certainly never lost a last lap battle with Pedrosa by sticking it in the gravel?

All your silly little facts and fanboy adulation can't hide the truth.

On the same bike, flaky pastry Stoner got whupped by Dani Pedrosa..chortle, snort.

 

 

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Wosi...

"Rossi is a washed up loser,"

Again... your words... fair enough... I quite rate the guy... it's your argument that suggests that they're both overrated.

On the same bike, flaky pastry Rossi got whupped by JL.. by 150 points... chortle, snort.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

I bet he's not the only guy you rate, eh Squedgy?

 

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supermario

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supermario says:

This is why you fail hedgy

Instead of offering a reason as to why we should hold stoner in such high acclaim, you either make personal remarks about me, or slag off Rossi. You offer no alternative to my opinion - stoners overrated because he was beaten so easily by his team mate. Lets also not forget that Pedrosa has always been viewed as the "weakest" alien and has never won a title in the big boys class.

So I say again, how can stoner be a "widely acclaimed" anything if he's failed to beat his team mate?

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Mario

Do you have any conviction in what you say or are you just contrary so that you can sit at your PC laughing because you think you are winding people up?

Are you serious about this statement?

So I say again, how can stoner be a "widely acclaimed" anything if he's failed to beat his team mate?

Is that the sole basis for your argument that Stoner is overated - because he got injured, missed races, rode others injured and finished the season on less points than his team mate?

You have nothing to say about him not just beating his team mates in previous years, but utterly trouncing them

And the reason Rossi was mentioned in response to your and Wosi's nonsense was to illustrate that you can equally apply your very weak reasoning about team mates to Rossi as well. But in your normal style, you choose to disregard that as it doesn't suit your purpose.

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

supermario and wosi

The power of your logic is terrifying. Yes, stoner isn't good enough to beat dani pedrosa if he breaks his ankle, requires surgery, misses several races and rides injured in several others.  

If pedrosa rides as he did for the last part of the 2012 season and has similar success against a fully fit field and manages to seal the deal and win a championship, then his status will need to be re-evaluated, but this will not change the fact that stoner had an outstanding career including 2 of the greatest seasons ridden by anyone.  

Wosi, don't give up your day job, medicine would not appear to be your strong point.

Supermario, I actually find some "cognitive dissonance" as someone else put it in your assertion that stoner can't be widely acclaimed in 7 concurrent threads where paddock insiders are acclaiming him.

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