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You were doing alright until the last few sentances when your usual bias got the better of you again.

Explain to me how Stoner trounces Hayden by 60pts, yet Rossi barely beats his team mate with a 40pt gap, a point a race less? That's a rather narrow margin of success and failure isn't it?

Also..I get the distinct impression you're trying to tell us crashes don't count where Stoner is concerned..that's rather convenient, if a little shallow. Surely you can't expect to be taken seriously with such fanboy guff?

Hayden had one top 5 finish 2012. 2010 he had eight.

What is a thoughtful fan to make of that, Einstein?..and leave the orange hand-bag at home ffs.

In order of the points raised...

The last few sentences are the same accusations you always throw at Stoner based upon your view of some of his performances, so all I was doing there was to show that the same view can be taken of similar performances by Rossi  -  hence the last line. It's your view, not mine, I don't care much for the final standings as you know.

Trouncing - there are 5 seasons of results there. In 4 out of 5, 80%, Stoner has trounced his team mates, surely you can't dispute that... ?? 

2010, the points difference itself wouldn't suggest trouncing no.  Crashes cost points, I never said they didn't count. Stoner crashed more than Hayden, therefore the points tally delta closed up from 2009.

Hayden had one top 5 finish in 2012, what do i make of that?  I don't know, maybe the 2010 bike was better, the opposition in 2012 was a lot stronger, he got slower, he wasn't trying, he crashed more...

There you go again..Rossi Rossi. Obsessed!

I was talking about your perception that Stoner smoked Hayden yet Rossi barely beat him?..but never mind.

It's a minor point and not one I'd expect you to aknowledge.

Neither is the one about Lorenzo, Rossi and Pedrosa beating Stoner in the standings more often than not, to dispell the total domination squealing from his fangirls.

On his day, Stoner was very fast..this is not in dispute.

He had two excellent years on fantastic bikes where he won over half his races, taking a brace of titles. Fairplay..

The rest of the time he was just another alien. Taking wins, getting beat, falling off..he didn't dominate or outclass anybody while he was in GP.

Let's not forget he got trounced by Dani Pedrosa on the same bike eh?..only just recently btw.

It's still news rather than history..hahaha

glutton for punishment

You really are a glutton for punishment wosi.

Apart for making a negative rather than a positive case for rossi vs stoner as has been said (I am happy to call their career overlap fairly even, which is rather positive for stoner I would have thought) you are actually quoting things which detract from rather than support your arguments.

What nakomoto seems to be saying, if he is being quoted correctly and not being translated imperfectly from Japanese, is almost verbatim what I have said (pretty much in agreement with you actually), about the 2012 season, ie that Stoner could have and possibly should have won the title, if he had settled for second at sachsenring and been more focused in the following mugello race, although relating his crash at indy to these events is drawing rather a longer bow imo. What he isn't saying is anything positive about dani pedrosa, who you may not have noticed actually didn't win the 2012 championship; nakomoto doesn't seem to be intimating as far as I can tell that dani should have won the championship. Fairly strong implication that there were no team orders for hrc in 2012 either , unlike some other teams in 2012 or historically.

Nakomoto is probably still also not sure whether he should commit seppuku, as he seemed to blame himself for stoner's retirement earlier in the 2012 season. My admittedly biased reading is that he thought Stoner, as does not appear to be uncommon among riders, was bargaining when he asked for only a 1 year contract extension, and when he and/or honda replied it was a 2 year contract or nothing he to their surprise said OK it's nothing then. 

How long have you been ploughing the bike advantage furrow, with seemingly no appreciation of the irony of doing so as a rossi fan, and despite your hero being widely quoted as saying he still does not know, along with everyone else, how stoner rode the ducati so fast?.