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I take it then that stoner despite all appearances didn't win the 2011 championship; he obviously can't have since he was third in the points after the jerez race.

I seem to recall a certain valentino rossi crashing early in a race in 2006, it may have even have been the last race of the season, thereby conceding the championship to a rider who had not won any gp titles prior to then and by my quick tally has won 18 less premier class gp races than dani pedrosa. I guess it doesn't count since it was a different lap, and only the last race of the season rather than a mid season race. Not being (unlike you) in the business of denigrating rather than appreciating riders, I would take this as evidence that such things can happen in racing even with the very best; it would be ridiculous to suggest a crash in a single race somehow detracts from all his other success.

Btw, I gather valentino has now won 7 titles rather than 9, given your argument that dani pedrosa has never won anything.

Also btw, twisting injuries are a quite common mechanism of fracture.  

Soup - wrong & wrong...

"you either make personal remarks about me, or slag off Rossi."

Where have I made a single personal remark about you...

... & I haven't slagged off Rossi... telling the truth isn't slagging off... I've merely stated that if you think that Stoner is overrated then the same must be applied to the underperfomance of Rossi... but more so of course. That's by your own argument... yes?

Has Stoner beaten Rossi more than Rossi's beaten Stoner?... was that despite being a rookie on a satellite Honda for the 1st year then a CF Ducati for a further 2 years while Rossi was on a rather superb Yamaha?... since you don't respond I'll answer for you... YES.

"You offer no alternative to my opinion - stoners overrated because he was beaten so easily by his team mate"

Agreed... but the highly rated Rossi was beaten by a lot more by his team mate in 2010... if you think both were overrated then fair enough... but then who do you rate 'cos they've all been beaten by their team mates?

A point a race..

22pts in an 18 race season is just over a point a race difference..and hardly the difference between a trouncing and barely managing to beat your team mate, as many orange gay boys would have you believe, is it?

35% is typical of the stats you love to cobble up. If Stoner had beaten Hayden by 3pts and Rossi only a point, you'd be shouting 300% from the rooftops of fanboi HQ, wouldn't you?

It puts you in the same sorry arse bandit club as those who maintain Stoners 23-0 win record makes him 23 times faster or, that the wages offer from HRC he walked away from compared to Vals at Yamaha, make him 5 times more valuable or better.

Now read this slowly and let it sink in..

Jorge Lorenzo has two titles in five years, a much better record than Stoner himself.

Dani Pedrosa has none in seven.

Rossi got beat by two-time and reigning WC Lorenzo after a broken leg and and a buggered shoulder, without losing face in any head to head.

Stoner got beat by a serial loser after a twisted ankle, who had him on the run before it happened. 

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It's a point a race daftlad..all the exaggerated claims that Stoner trounced Hayden compared to Rossi are fanboy wet dreams.

The same applies to the theory Stoner dominated.

Rossi beat him in 4/7 seasons. Dani beat him 4/7. Jorge beat him 3/5.

That's losing more often than you beat your main rivals.

Hardly surprising you don't see the relevance of 4th alien Pedrosa spanking Kangaroo boy, is it?

Psst..it took Jorge 3 seasons to top a busted up Rossi.

Lorenzo knows this and so do most real fans. He knows he lost credibility after Motegi 2010, when he went blubbing to Yamaha management and he knows, like Pedrosa does, he's never beaten Rossi in a last lap battle.

Competition at this level is mostly a mental thing. Rossi has previously ruled in this area. It's the reason many believe Stoner quit and is over rated..nothing to do with how fast you can go when everything is going your way. In fact the opposite.

This is the also the reason many enthusiast's are looking forward to the 2013 season..was it the bike or has Val lost it?

A bit back & white perhaps..but I thought I'd make it easy for you to understand as you're obviously struggling. 

Yes, Trounced

2010, Stoner only beat Hayden by a handful more points than Rossi did 2012. I'm pretty sure you'd choke if I said Rossi trounced Nick this year.

Always making excuses and over exaggerating to blow smoke up Casey's arse.

Again you select the year that suits your purpose...

2007 Stoner 1st Capirossi 7th 200 points behind

2008 Stoner 2nd Melandri 17th over 200 points behind

2009 Stoner 4th Hayden 13th over 100 points behind

2010 Stoner 4th Hayden 7th 60 points behind

2011 Stoner 1st Dovi 3rd over 100 pojts behind

On the whole, I'd call that comprehensivley beating your team mate. 2010, Stoner had a few crashes as we know, but was either leading or challenging when he had them (Valencia excepted) therefore trying to win. The lost points brought Hayden closer, that's all, he was nowhere near challenging him. That's the difference between your Rossi/Hayden and Stoner/Hayden comparison - Rossi was nowhere near the podium, let alone challenging for wins. Hayden was closer to him than he was Stoner in terms of race performance, not through Rossi crashing trying to win.

With respect to Hayden, I think we all know who the best rider was 2006

Why?

With respect to your argument about Pedrosa besting Stoner in 2012, it's funny how your criteria only applies to one rider. 2006 Hayden finished ahead of Rossi, Rossi having let the pressure get to him in the last race by throwing his bike down the road all by himself. Hayden kept his head together to stay on the track, beat Rossi in the race and to the title. Rossi no doubt was still distracted from from the previous race when he was beaten by Elias and whining about his dangerous riding.

By your logic of course