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Matthew Birt  says:

2012 MOTOGP MOMENTS – CASEY STONER RETIRES

When Casey Stoner won the Jerez and Estoril races to ignite the defence of his MotoGP crown, talk of his retirement was already filling plenty of column inches. The Aussie was at pains to deny the speculation was true, so when the media filed into the pre-event press conference ahead of the Le Mans race in France, only those in...

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PaceyCasey

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PaceyCasey says:

nostro

Casey is not perfect.

Seasons greetings and all the very best to everyone here.

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yzrm1

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yzrm1 says:

vmax4steve vmax4steve

vmax4steve i thought when rossi started to use bridgestone he took the title. midpack? remember also after trellis it was over for stoner. whitness 2008 2009 2010

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Bultoboy

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YZRM1

vmax4steve i thought when rossi started to use bridgestone he took the title. midpack? remember also after trellis it was over for stoner. whitness 2008 2009 2010

Two things in that short statement show you haven't much of a clue what you're talking about...

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

Racecraft

I do realise you are stirring the pot, but utter tosh and nonsense mostly wosi, apart from 2012 where I agree more focus and patience could have won stoner the championship, the bike was certainly good enough at least in the latter half of the season, notwithstanding that his title hopes finished with an injury from a crash on a substandard track which he said was so, and which his and other crashes would seem to have proved.

How do you know the 2008, or even the 2007 ducati, had an advantage? Stoner being able to ride it 1.5 seconds a lap faster than should have been possible, as he demonstrated he could even the 2010 ducati in comparison with rossi, does not mean he had a bike advantage . Such luminaries as capirossi, burgess, guareschi the ducati test rider, and for that matter your boy vale himself have said it is impossible to replicate the way stoner rode the thing.

He also had no choice about how he rode the ducati; racecraft didn't come into it, that bike could be ridden to win in one way only, which he did  23 times as opposed to once by anyone else, and then in unusual circumstances. You must be aware of carlo pernat's public statements to that effect, and he surely is in a position to be better informed than me or even you. 

Valentino hasn't had a lot to say recently about his triumph at laguna seca 2008, since he actually got on the ducati at valencia in 2010 and realised, probably within 1 or 2 laps, that (as david emmett put it) stoner had been bringing a knife to a gunfight.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Tis the season to be jolly..tra-la-la-la-lah le-lah-lah-laaah.

Talking of which..I wonder if any of the #27er turkeys can help me out?

In a recent interview with Michael Scott over at Cycle News, Stoner talks about Ducati's.

"We played to the strengths and tried to minimize the weaknesses, and the bike proved to be competitive. I think there was only one year we weren't fighting for the championship, which was 2010. Each of those other years we had a very good shot until unfortunately I had my wrist torn to peices, then got ill in 2009."

So.. the bike was competitive until 2009.

2008 & 2009 it was Stoner letting the side down with crashes and time off to go fishing.
 

 

On the switch to CF from the steel trellis frame. "Of course it was better, because otherwise we'd have stuck with the trellis frame."

He begged for the CF bike and of course it was better?

Well how come his results got worse?

He won 16 races in two years on the bendy old trellis bike and managed a total of 7 victories during the subsequent two seasons on a bike that was obviously better? How can this be?

Can somebody explain how Rossi lapped as fast on his Ducati debut in Qatar 2011 finishing 7th, as he did the year before on the WC M1 while winning the race?

http://cyclenews.coverleaf.com/cyclenews/20121218#pg81

 

 

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

being competitive

Of course the bike was competitive in 2008 and 2009, which is not the same as it having an advantage. Ask marco melandri, or nicky hayden about the 2008 bike.

I go with agostini on stoner, who likened him to hailwood who could go fast on a  bad bike agostini considered unrideable but not necessarily much faster on what he (agostini) considered a good bike. I don't for a moment think stoner would be 2 seconds a lap faster than marco melandri on a factory honda or yamaha, and rossi quite possibly or even quite likely  would have been faster than him if both had been on factory yamahas in 2007. I don't think rossi would have got near stoner's times on the 2007 ducati though, bridgestones and all, it was the anti-rossi bike. 

 

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

Pacey, are you on crack?..

..'Casey is not perfect.". I almost chocked on my cornflakes with this one. Of course he's bloody perfect - get a grip man!..

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simoncbr1000rr

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ah yes wosi

it`s what`s called progress.......could u also explain why stoner got off a bike only the day before.....that rossi got on and couldn`t get to within 2 seconds a lap of casey`s pace,but stoner got on the honda and nailed it straight away.......also casey did crash while trying to win races on the duke........uuuuummmmmm could u explain why rossi crashed???...cos it wasn`t from trying to win races!!!!

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vtwinmark

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vtwinmark says:

Wosi's dodgy facts #

Can somebody explain how Rossi lapped as fast on his Ducati debut in Qatar 2011 finishing 7th, as he did the year before on the WC M1 while winning the race?

Lapped as fast?.....Bit of a play on words there, as Rossi's elapsed race time was 5 seconds slower than 2010. And the top 6 in 2011 was all inside Rossi's 2010 Yamaha time. Little wonder that he finished 7th then really eh?

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

rossi's ducati debut at qatar 2011.

Easily explained, even if the conditions were exactly the same 12 months apart. Stoner crashed in 2010 but not in 2011.

If you want to give credit to rossi for not crashing the ducati on his debut, you may have a point, although he managed to crash it fairly consistently over the year, for which the explanation is also obvious, the thing was a total pig, as was the 2010 bike, which again doesn't have much to do with the racecraft of either rider. 

  

 

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