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2012 MOTOGP MOMENTS – DUCATI DISASTER

It’s the Valencia MotoGP test in November, 2010 and the wave of optimism sweeping through Ducati’s factory garage is so powerful it could almost knock you off your feet. Valentino Rossi has arrived to prove the bike was no one-hit wonder in the hands of Casey Stoner and help restore Ducati as a potent threat to the Japanese domination of MotoGP. Two...

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Bulto..

That's saying they didn't do enough quickly enough - that wasn't the issue.

No?..I thought that was the reason Rossi left and Audi sacked Preziosi?

The bulk of your frame count centres on 2011 when Ducati changed a few bits trying to get the monocoque bike pointed in the right direction. A process that took all season due to test restrictions.

When the new for 2012 Aluminium beam frame finally arrived, after being absent from it's own birthday party launch, Rossi apparently used the same chassis until the 13th round at Misano in September.

By comparison, HRC worked their arse off and Dani and Casey were riding a rushed forward, new 2013 RCV bike in July. 

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buelligan272

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buelligan272 says:

GYTR

This will tell you a little about it.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104418

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buelligan272

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buelligan272 says:

bulto

Your at it again twisting and turning and only seeing things the way you like to see them.

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Well said Livio Suppo

There's but two men responsible for the Ducati debacle of the last two years and they're both in the article picture. Ducati CEO Del Torchio and Rossi. Both of whom were far too idealistic massaging their mutual ego's. As Suppo says Preziosi could possibly be a foolishly made scapegoat. Although no longer at the helm at least Audi had some sense in keeping him on the deck and not on luggage rack duty.

Old Burgess is just bitter after he found himself a bike he could not tune. He knows his biggest problem was an underperforming / over rated rider, but is just hiding behind a bit of mealy mouthed vitriol as he struggles to protect his own reputation.

More typical cheap bullshit from the media. Grand Canyon gulf? What a load of old wank. The bike is a gnat's dick away from the Japanese. Ducati's biggest problem (as it has been for the past two years) is the lack of an Alien class rider.

 

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Wosi

What I meant by another issue was that the issue I contested was the statement that Ducati spent fck all and gave Rossi nothing - not that they were slow to bring new parts.

It doesn't matter when the frame changes were, he asked for them and got them which means the statement that he was given nothing is wrong.

The statements coming from riders and crew chief have been about as contradictory as you can get. Rossi declaring the bike marvellous at Sepang 1 test and then denouncing the same bike as rubbish at Sepang 2. Hayden saying the bike was the best Ducati he has ridden. Rossi saying it is no better then the CF bike it replaced. Burgess stating that the L90 engine is the ideal configuration for a race engine and that the engine was not a cause of any handling problem. Any designer would choose that configuration given a blank drawing board. Burgess now saying that the engine is the problem and that you can't design a frame to fit an existing engine...

There's real direction for Ducati to follow there isn't there...  Maybe that's why development slowed to a crawl.

Ducati have no hope of churning out frames like Honda. Honda are massive and must engineer a lot of their own parts. It's wrong to criticise Ducati for that. Hopefully, with Audi's facilities, that may change. HRC probably have more tea ladies than Ducati as a factory have employees.

Rossi new he was sunk within 2 laps of the Valencia test in 2010 and immediately sought to create a red Yamaha M1 clone. Ultimately, he's ended up with another blue one and hopefully Ducati can now bounce back and continue in their own innovative way, as they have before. No-one cared before Rossi and Burgess went there did they...

 

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Buel

Either come up with an original point of your own with which to refute what someone says or just shut up.

Accusing someone of being wrong or twisting things without presenting an argument as to why is childish behaviour

Explain what's been twisted - when there are transcripts of interviews that prove they haven't, you may find it difficult.

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carcleanerboy

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Bulto /nostro/Pacey

Putting Rider preference a side, how can there be any argument about the speed with which the Japanese develop their bikes compared to Ducati?? If they have to totally redevelop the bike from the wheels up to turn it into a winner, they will do that. Ducati have struggled for years now with BOTH Stoner and Rossi on it to keep up with Yamaha and Honda. If as Burgess says (and i believe him) it the engine design making it impossible to have a chassis that works ( at a level to beat the japanese) then it needs changing. He could hardly say that whilst employed by Ducati could he?? Preziosi as the head of the project has to take responsibility for its failings, that the nature of the business he's in.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

What...!!??

If as Burgess says (and i believe him) it the engine design making it impossible to have a chassis that works ( at a level to beat the japanese) then it needs changing. He could hardly say that whilst employed by Ducati could he??

It's what he was paid to do...!!!  - give his opinion and offer advice on how to improve the bike.

And for the umpteenth time - the original statement was that Ducati gave Rossi nothing and spent nothing. That is what I contested.

The pace of Ducati's development was never mentioned and has nothing to do with the original point of discussion.

What's so hard to understand here...?

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carcleanerboy

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Bulto

Burgess will have made that point to Preziosi,but if he is told they have to work with what they have got and try fine tune the bike, thats what he had to do. He can hardly then turn round and bad mouth his employers to the press can he?? Rossi the same, there will have been times he's had to lie through his teeth and smile, claiming everything is well and going in the right direction, when deep down the truth was very different. Working with a small italian factory after years with the might of the Japanese must of been a huge shock to the system and not what they were promised. Honda redesign the whole package in a heart beat , Ducati its takes years. But Stoner lost afew titles to his name on the back of that, and Rossi at his age doesnt have the time with his age to wait for them to catch up with Yamaha and Honda.

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Fuck you spew some shite CCB

"Honda redesign the whole package in a heart beat".

You really wouldn't have a scoobie would you.

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